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Post by brookst »

kulahan wrote: post #510
burnte wrote: post #506

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> Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) It would only violate App Store guidelines if Apple forces itself to agree to, and be bound by them. I think it's arguable that they probably do not, and so they didn't violate the guidelines because they're not bound by them.

Wouldn’t the guidelines apply to anyone using it who doesn’t have specific, legal, written exemptions? Not to say they don’t have it, but simply hand-waving “well they wrote it so it doesn’t have to apply to them” doesn’t seem quite as simple to me. I could be wrong!

No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful.

This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking that law is code. So there must be some "if app published, there must be a developer account, and if the developer account violates the rule the app must be removed". It just doesn't work that way.

Apple has contracts with third parties to allow them to distribute apps in Apple's App Store. That's it.

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Post by bigyabai »

croes wrote: post #389
_benton wrote: post #279

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Apple wouldn't exist without "rampant unregulated capitalism".

Why not? I think Apple wouldn‘t exist without cheap labor in authoritarian countries but that‘s a prerequisite for capitalism

Apple's primary value driver (when it mattered) was luxury margins on mediocre tech. Without rampant demand, you don't have market stratification. If substantial regulation like the DSA existed in 2014, Apple's business model would look radically different today.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

brookst wrote: post #521
kulahan wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t the guidelines apply to anyone using it who doesn’t have specific, legal, written exemptions? Not to say they don’t have it, but simply hand-waving “well they wrote it so it doesn’t have to apply to them” doesn’t seem quite as simple to me. I could be wrong!

No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful. This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking that law is code. So there must be some "if app published, there must be a developer account, and if the developer account violates the rule the app must be removed". It just doesn't work that way. Apple has contracts with third parties to allow them to distribut…

While I am in agreement about the common tech enthusiast, or perhaps just dev, mental failings regarding law, I feel obligated to point out that App store guidelines written by the company running the app store are not law.

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Post by thefounder »

brookst wrote: post #521
kulahan wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t the guidelines apply to anyone using it who doesn’t have specific, legal, written exemptions? Not to say they don’t have it, but simply hand-waving “well they wrote it so it doesn’t have to apply to them” doesn’t seem quite as simple to me. I could be wrong!

No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful. This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking that law is code. So there must be some "if app published, there must be a developer account, and if the developer account violates the rule the app must be removed". It just doesn't work that way. Apple has contracts with third parties to allow them to distribut…

This is the reason why anti-trust agencies don’t like this. Apple (with its App Store) is a gatekeeper and in Europe at least it should not favor its own apps over the others(i.e maps, payments, AI integrations etc). It should play fair.

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Post by ryandrake »

Aurornis wrote: post #440
earthtograndma wrote: post #152

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If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library. The only way to prevent this is to completely wipe out the entire library. And the chief complaint is that there is an album in the library.

> If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library. No, in this case the play command was coming from the attached device. Apple’s product was complying with the command in the only way it could, by playing the songs in the library.

That’s right. Various connected devices are over-eager to assume the user wants to play media, and command the phone into do so unexpectedly. This is fine if there is no media to play, but then all of a sudden, thanks to Apple’s decision, there was unwanted media to play, and this album would be the one always playing.

So the album didn’t cause the problem but it revealed it.

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Post by Affric »

op00to wrote: post #489
skeeter2020 wrote: post #321

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which when you look at your device, it's cost and what you use it for, should not be all that remarkable of a statement. I mean, what if you replaced "phone" with car, house or partner?

I bet id buy a new car more frequently if cars were first invented! As it is, I bought my car new and is 20 years old in great condition. Partner … I mean, who wouldn’t want to trade in for a new model if it weren’t for the social concerns? (I kiiiid I kiiid)

If you could get the same partner with more capabilities and less wear and tear with all important information transferred into the new one every year it sounds pretty appealing.

I have bought two phones since 2010

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Post by madeofpalk »

kridsdale3 wrote: post #493
madeofpalk wrote: post #387

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> destructive of the shared pool of trust Will there actually be any short, mediumm, or long term consequences for Apple? What real, tangible trust has Apple lost that could lead to meaningful harm to them? The only thing I can come up with is people who hold Apple to some kind of high-minded ideal, that they constantly run foul of for other reasons already.

Apple does a lot of things that are not allowed by any of the 3p developers. Someone like EU could look at that (for instance in this case a direct to consumer marketing channel that they are using to favor their own properties) and say it violates the DMA. Google is being forced to take Google Flights links out of Search results, for instance.

Apple’s behind of curve of its third party ecosystem. All of the apps on the App Store send spam notifications, violating Apple’s own guidelines that it has no intention of enforcing.

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Post by bdelmas »

I thought they learn their mistakes from the time they gave a U2 album for free on iTunes (but forcing everyone on iTunes to have it). It’s the same thing here but worst with ads. Pushing their stuff in our personal apps and lives without our permission, free stuff or not. But they still made the same mistake…
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