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Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by saltysalt »

stouset wrote: post #512
saltysalt wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh, I already addressed this demand that I MUST name an alternative in this thread. It's deflection pure and simple, I'm not going over that again...

If you don’t think the current people doing this work or funding it are appropriate, you should be able to give at least a vague idea of an entity you think is better suited for either. The only qualification you managed to put out there is that they don’t have bias. This is literally unachievable and you know it, which is why you won’t even attempt to even hint at a better party.

Both are true:

1. You can question the source of evidence and funding.

2. If you do, you are not automatically required to provide alternative sources.

Nobody on this thread has addressed my OP directly, but have instead jumped to point 2.

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by [deleted] »

stouset wrote: post #514
saltysalt wrote: post #347

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How specific am I supposed to be, do you want names, resumes, potential investors? Not my problem to solve. However, I no longer accept published reports at face value, unless I check who the authors are, and who funds them. They even have a Cruchbase page, it's easy to check for yourself.

> However, I no longer accept published reports at face value, unless I check who the authors are, and who funds them. No, you use this as a cop out to deny results. In this case you have done this check and you have decided you do not want to believe the outcome so you wave around a vague charge of bias in a lame attempt to discredit it. Please show me one single scientific report or conclusion you’ve accepted that…

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Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by saltysalt »

stouset wrote: post #514
saltysalt wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How specific am I supposed to be, do you want names, resumes, potential investors? Not my problem to solve. However, I no longer accept published reports at face value, unless I check who the authors are, and who funds them. They even have a Cruchbase page, it's easy to check for yourself.

> However, I no longer accept published reports at face value, unless I check who the authors are, and who funds them. No, you use this as a cop out to deny results. In this case you have done this check and you have decided you do not want to believe the outcome so you wave around a vague charge of bias in a lame attempt to discredit it. Please show me one single scientific report or conclusion you’ve accepted that…

I am under no such obligation.

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by nostrebored »

robocat wrote: post #457
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #303

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It would be great if you could cite the report you're talking about, so we can judge for ourselves whether you're steel-manning or straw-manning its methodology.

I found it: https://economics.acadiau.ca/tl_files/sites/economics/resour... " Thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of Bachelor of Arts with Honours in Economics Acadia University, 2013" biased and poorly balanced. As far as can be determined, no cost-benefit analyses of bicycle facilities have been carried out for locations in Canada. Maybe says more about the searching skills au…

Dude someone did this for a check box. It’s honestly more shocking that you read it

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by Spooky23 »

Retric wrote: post #520
Spooky23 wrote: post #499

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Again, bike-shedding stats on EVs is a waste of time if you care about pollution from tire wear. If we want to reduce particulate pollution, we’d have regulations to govern acceleration on EVs, make tire monitoring more annoying, and have manufacturers certify tires and make compliance required during state emissions inspections, and get aggressive about the motor carrier overweight enforcement. If Tesla or other EVs…

There’s a great deal possible that could reduce pollution that has nothing to do with tires. Outlawing non hybrid gas / diesel cars for example would be a significant step forward. As would favoring rail over big rig trucking etc. Instead the topic is almost exclusively brought up as an attack without any real world studies supporting the ideas presented. Because actual studies show EV’s improve air quality over ICE…

I think we violently agree with respect to EVs… it’s just whataboutism.

But I do think tires are a significant environmental problem, especially in urban areas and when combined with diesel soot. We’re also poisoning soil by allowing shredded tires to be used as mulch, which is gross in many levels. Shredded tires are also used as aggregate for roads, so road wear also contributes to particulate pollution from tires.

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by toomanyrichies »

saltysalt wrote: post #331

Airparif is an NGO run by environmentalists and funded by the EU, not sure how independent they are?

Since this thread has already established that bias is inherent in all human endeavors, why don't you try addressing the quality of the evidence itself, instead of its source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by arghwhat »

slaw wrote: post #495
arghwhat wrote: post #473

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In the EU an average car is 1400 kg (3000 lbs), with most vehicles probably in the 1000-1200 kg range. We don't really want the average here, but the median - and we don't want to compare to the average EV, but to the equivalent EV - comparing an F150 to, say, a model 3 isn't right. A BYD Dolphin, roughly sized like a VW Polo, is some 400kg heavier than the polo. A Polestar 2 is roughly 500 kg heavier than equivalent…

BYD Dolphin is size of Golf not Polo. BYD Dolphin weight 1600kg, length 4290mm. VW Polo weight 1580kg, length 3971 mm. https://www.automobiledimension.com/model/byd/dolphin https://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/cars/volkswagen-po...

You are comparing the max loaded weight of the polo with the unloaded weight of a dolphin.

VW Polo Mk6 is 1751mm wide, 1461mm tall, 4067mm long and has an unloaded curb weight of 1105 kg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Polo_Mk6

The BYD Dolphin 2025 60kWh is 1770mm wide, 1570mm tall, 4290mm long, and has an unloaded curb weight of 1658 kg. https://bydautomotive.com.au/brochures/BYD-DOLPHIN-2025.pdf.

The VW Golf Mk8 might be a better comparison with an unloaded curb weight of 1255 kg, which reduces the gap from 543kg to 403kg.

(Note that for the gasoline and diesel cars, lighter trims give longer range, whereas it is opposite for electric cars, and that a fully loaded 45L tank of a polo weighs less than 40kg, especially if gasoline)

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by saltysalt »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #527
saltysalt wrote: post #331

Airparif is an NGO run by environmentalists and funded by the EU, not sure how independent they are?

Since this thread has already established that bias is inherent in all human endeavors, why don't you try addressing the quality of the evidence itself, instead of its source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

Because the source is important, to understand the motives. Don't you agree?

Re: Air pollution fell substantially as Paris restricted car traffic

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Post by anigbrowl »

rangestransform wrote: post #257
anigbrowl wrote: post #202

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French metro's air is highly polluted, due to tire degradation and brake dust, making it unfit for children or pregnant women These sound like...car problems.

I can insulate myself from these problems in a car with a hepa air filter

Fuck them pedestrians, I guess.
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