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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by nine_zeros »

bongodongobob wrote: post #423
nine_zeros wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, misinformation won. But when Trump actively cuts benefits, cuts jobs, cuts research, asks for bribes openly, quid pro quo everywhere, town halls unanswered - do voters in America feel willing to change their votes? Are voters willing to strike until the President resigns? Or are people ok with the country being sold to third world style corruption that is happening right in front of their faces?

They've already forgotten that the President literally robbed his own people with a meme coin.

Yep. They got scammed by their own president - a convicted felon who caused a coup.

America is well and truly doomed thanks to apathy of the people.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

It's called Project 2025. It's designed to destroy the checks and balances of the US government. They aren't hiding it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Allegations_of_au...

What is nuts to me is there is no liberal project to counter this. Conservatives have this really impressive drive to organize and work together, and liberals just in-fight and throw up their hands and complain. Autocracy is all but guaranteed.

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Post by kopirgan »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #503
Aurornis wrote: post #434

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> Not really clear what this article is about. The article is quite clear: It’s about exactly what the title explains. I’m not sure how you would find it unclear unless you were skimming too fast to read it or you went in trying to find an angle to push a different agenda. > If it's about using Signal app to escape FoIA it's odd not to discuss who actually started that or use of personal servers in basements & shredd…

The right is now at loss because they are the party in power. Yet they try to hang on to their hate of Biden and Hillary and even Obama. But people can see that it doesn't matter how bad previous governments may or may not have been. What matters is how "good" the current government is.

That's a great piece of advice only wish KH ran on her record instead of trying to scare Americans about how evil DT is! Maybe we won't be in this mess!

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

jmyeet wrote: post #301
p1necone wrote: post #174

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I'm not really convinced more than a vanishingly small percentage of people who self identify as "free speech absolutists" are using that term in good faith. Freedom of speech is just the easiest way to have plausible deniability when directly or indirectly defending otherwise indefensible positions. Anecdotally I've noticed these sorts of people much less often, at least on here as of late. Methinks their deniabilit…

The only free speech absolutist in America is Noam Chomsky. He's the only one. Whenever conservatives talk about "free speech" just substitute "hate speech" because that's what they mean. Elon Musk has called himself a free speech absolutist while banning people from Twitter for hurting his feelings, for being journalists who are remotely critical of him, for making fun of him, for reporting ATC public data on the lo…

It's pretty amazing that out of 350 million people in the United States, the only one who is a free speech absolutist happens to be someone I've heard of.

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Post by c0redump »

mptest wrote: post #236
pmarreck wrote: post #203

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Because the agency that arrested her told us why she was arrested, and it was "supporting terrorism" ie writing an oped opposing israel's genocide, when they certainly have no hesitation to mention the crimes when they are there?? Oh and the agency already has a well documented history of arresting innocent people? Look up "ice collateral arrests" "autism awareness deportation" or "soccer coach deported for real madr…

Don’t bother trying to convince him. He’s relishing in the brutality against people he hates. He might try to intellectualize it (in the spirit of HN), but it’s coming from a place of pure emotion. Namely, anger, bitterness, resentment, insecurity, fear, and hatred.

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Post by ooterness »

donatj wrote: post #481
ooterness wrote: post #413

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> Meanwhile, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been detaining and trying to deport pro-Palestinian students who are legally in the United States. The administration is targeting students and academics who spoke out against Israel’s attacks on Gaza, or who were active in campus protests against U.S. support for the attacks. Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters Thursday that at least 3…

I've got very mixed feelings on that. I'm not entirely sure that someone should be able to come into another country as a non-citizen and go around drumming up support for our foreign enemies. I can tell you no other country on Earth would put up with that. Whether or not the first amendment applies to non-citizens, especially non-permanent residents is clearly hotly debated. I can see both sides of it. The almost pe…

They are welcome to bring up such arguments at a trial, where they can be contested fairly before judge, jury, and the general public.

Jury trials are another important constitutional right that's being infringed. Until the facts are resolved fairly, those accusations are suspect.

I will also remind you that some of those affected are (were?) permanent residents. If they can take that away without due process, it's only a matter of time before citizens are also on the chopping block.

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Post by semicolon_storm »

selfhoster wrote: post #432
move-on-by wrote: post #373

If I were to share this article with some loved ones, they would say the press deserves it for all the fake news and unfair treatment of the current administration. As for the signal aspect, the last discussion I was a part of devolved into “ MI6 did it to make trump’s team look bad”. There is some bogus ‘news’ article to back this up. I don’t know how we got here, but it’s devastating and scary.

There's always something scary for those whose team lost the last election.

And treating politics like team sports is the root of the problem

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #269
GrumpyCat42 wrote: post #133

What Brian and a lot of the commenters here need to realize is that online outrage does not help progressive causes in the slightest. While the examples in his article are valid & concerning, especially as talks of a third Trump term have started, I truly can't see anyone changing their mind because the response to it has been completely ineffective and tone-deaf: Instead of a solid, modern, coherent plan to keep the…

I've found, since about the end of the Obama admin, a huge gap between the outraged base and the realities of politics on the ground that's made me quite despondent. The base just wants to talk about how outraged they are to each other on every piece of media they can. It's like social signaling; you have to tell every other upper middle class news addicted millennial or GenX how much you hate the current administrat…

The problem is that everyone who sits down to think about swing voters realizes the same thing: tariffs are going to crash the economy, DOGE is going to cut Social Security, and Congress is going to cut Medicaid. But none of these have happened yet, while other bad things swing voters care less about have happened.

So there's a fundamental tension. You can focus on the current situation to the exclusion of swing voters and their interests, or focus on swing voter interests and sound like you're lamely ignoring what's happening right now. It's a hard balance to strike, and while people make noise about it online I think most elected Dems understand everyone's trying as best they can.

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Post by seek »

> In a $10 billion lawsuit against 60 Minutes and its parent Paramount, Trump claims they selectively edited an interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris prior to the 2024 election. The TV news show last month published transcripts of the interview at the heart of the dispute, but Paramount is reportedly considering a settlement to avoid potentially damaging its chances of winning the administration’s approval for a pending multibillion-dollar merger.

`Trump "claims" they selectively edited`. This is intellectually dishonest of the OP to say this. It is clear from the published original transcript, it is clear that they did in fact swap out Harris' nonsensical reply to some critical questions with something else she spoke 20-30 mins prior to make it sound like she gave a coherent answer. This is obvious for anyone looking at the original raw footage published by PBS.

Why is the OP saying "Trump claims" when it has in fact been proven to be true? He makes it sound like PBS folks did real journalistic work and Trump is trying to use his power in government to intimidate well-meaning journalists. That is not true.

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