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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by troupo »

pjmlp wrote: post #396
thewebguyd wrote: post #38

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> Most of the other examples in the article also apply, but to be honest I've been using GNOME in parallel for years now and I consider it to be my "forever desktop" if PC hardware can ever match Apple Silicon (or, most likely, if I want something that is _just a computer_). I'm there as well. I've been really enjoying desktop Linux lately, but I can't go back to a non-Apple laptop at this point. There's just nothing…

The reason that keeps me on Windows, is that you left out of your list gaming and 3D graphics on laptops. Metal isn't really on pair with Vulkan and DirectX in terms of relevance for graphics programming, the M chips aren't up to NVidia ecosystem, SYCL, the two major compute APIs for any kind of relevant GPGPU workloads, and thus don't really matter. And gaming, well, even though all major engines support Metal, ther…

> Metal isn't really on pair with Vulkan and DirectX in terms of relevance for graphics programming

As if Vulkan had relevance to graphics programming.

> and WSL is better integrated and easier to use than Virtualization Framework.

you don't need WSL on MacOS because, well, MacOS is already a *nix environment.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by marcyb5st »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #435
marcyb5st wrote: post #387

I thought it was because of my MacBook pro still being an Intel One and thought that nobody at Apple cares about that anymore. But it seems also the M family suffers from it. Mine doesn't really sleep. It's always warmish despite all my best efforts to make it actually sleep. It's always plugged in, so no biggie, but it's annoying as hell. Reddit wisdom says it's because of my usb peripherals, but it's just a webcam,…

Open Activity Monitor, go to the Energy tab and look for any apps that are marked as preventing sleep.

No apps preventing sleep (I checked that already many many times), that's why I believe it's OS related in some way.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by NavinF »

nextos wrote: post #167
rcarmo wrote: post #53

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I have some hope that Framework and AMD can fix some of those issues. Would love to try out their new desktop (because it's a simpler, more tightly integrated thing) and replace my Mac mini -- then wait for Linux power management to improve.

Linux power management is pretty good. The problem is that defaults favor desktop and server performance. On a MacBook Air 11, my custom Linux setup and Mac OS had the same battery autonomy, despite Safari being much more energy efficient. The real problem is that, just like the grandparent post pointed out, Apple's software quality has been declining. The Tiger to Snow Leopard epoch was incredible. Apps were simple,…

> Linux power management is pretty good

> defaults favor desktop and server performance

Desktops are in S3 half the day consuming ~0 power. During use, electricity costs are so much lower than hardware costs that approximately nobody cares about or even measures the former. Servers have background tasks running at idle priority all day so the power consumption is effectively constant. Laptop and phone are the only platforms where the concept of "Linux power management" makes any sense.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by throw-the-towel »

capitol_ wrote: post #376
jpk wrote: post #351

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I'm not sure I follow. Your complaint is that Framework only sells direct and not through retailers?

No, there is a lot of us who live in countries that framework doesn't ship to.

And if you use a mail forwarder, they deny your warranty.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by littlecranky67 »

atombender wrote: post #94
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

Regarding Spotlight, one thing that started happening for me on Sequioa was that Finder and other apps started getting very slow to react to file changes. For example, I can save a new file to a directory, and the Finder window takes maybe 10-20 seconds before the file shows up in the list. If I navigate to a different folder and then back, the file is there. I notice the same delay in apps like IntelliJ. I could be…

Same here. Spotlight used to be my everything, i.e. I never use the dock I would always use spotlight to launch applications or navigate to folders. Now it is littered with internet garbage, takes seconds to even return any results, and the results are always useless.

Who the hell thought integrating internet search is a good idea - because "aösldkfjalsdkfjalsdkfj" just as everything else is a valid search result in Spotlight now showing me "Search for aölsdkfjöalsdfjasdlfkj in Firefox"...

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by troupo »

mythz wrote: post #483
pjmlp wrote: post #472

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I hardly find anything interesting about command-line, I grew up in a time where the command line was the only way to interact with home computers, it fails on me the interest on staying stuck in up to early 1980's computing model. Xerox PARC is the future many of us want to be in, not PDP-11 clones.

Weird flex, most commands, utilities, server software and remote tools are going to be run are going to be from the command-line. All our System Administration of remote servers uses the command-line as well since exclusively deploying to Linux for 10+ years. Sure you can happily avoid the command-line with a Linux Desktop and GUI Apps, although as a developer I don't see how I could avoid using the terminal. Even on…

> Weird flex, most commands, utilities, server software and remote tools are going to be run are going to be from the command-line.

It's not a weird flex. Weird flex is this: "The command-line is also super charged in Linux starting with a GPU-accelerated Gnome terminal/ptyxis and Ghostty running Oh My Zsh" and then listing a bunch of obscure personal preference tools that follow trends du jour.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by IshKebab »

lor_louis wrote: post #150
pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

> I am not suggesting Apple has fallen behind Windows or Android. Changing a setting on Windows 11 can often involve a journey through three or four different interface designs, artifacts of half-implemented changes dating back to the last century. Whenever I find myself stuck outside of Appleland, I am eager to return “home,” flaws and all. Hard agree with this. I sometimes have to boot up a windows laptop to play M…

To be fair, win11 is a nightmare in terms of usability. I can only assume a committee of eldritch beings and accountants designed it. It blows my mind that when right-clicking on a file in file explorer, the 'delete' option is hidden in a sub-menu under 'more options'.

I was fully braced for Windows 11 being awful when I installed it recently but that hasn't been my experience at all. If anything it's just a slightly more polished Windows 10.

Probably helps that I installed the IoT LTSC version, but still, apart from the task bar being stupidly in the middle (thankfully there's an option to move it to the left), I've had zero issues.

I even added a network printer and it found it quickly, and added it quickly and successfully, which is a feat I don't think I've seen happen on any OS ever.

The context menu is a clear improvement on the old one (which you can still get to with one click).

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by troupo »

dijit wrote: post #427
pjmlp wrote: post #421

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You mean translating Windows and DirectX APIs is great, there is hardly a Linux gaming ecosystem. Proton is the acknowledgment of Valve's failure to entice game studios, already targeting Vulkan/OpenGL ES/OpenSL on Android NDK, Switch (which has OpenGL 4.6/Vulkan support), or on PlayStation (Orbis OS being a FreeBSD fork) to target GNU/Linux. I rather have the real deal, not translations.

As an actual dyed in the wool game developer. There’s no such thing as “native”, all the things you’re talking about are translation layers for hardware instructions themselves, and the overhead for doing software based translation is significantly less than hardware accelerated virtual machines- and we as an industry love those. The reason for this is because the translations are very cache friendly and happen in us…

Stadia's impact on gaming in general is next to zero. And given that the vast majority of gaming on Linux is happening via Proton, its impact on gaming on Linux is similarly next to zero.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by grishka »

> Apple’s iMessage and SMS tool is an essential app for communication for me and, I suspect, the vast majority of Apple users.

For the majority American Apple users, sure. But I myself hardly ever remember that this app exists.

The thing that drove me nuts in particular in Sonoma though, is their "improved" text fields. Where it would show the stupid little popup with the active keyboard layout icon next to the cursor. Clearly made by someone who doesn't actually need to use multiple keyboard layouts (gosh do I envy those people). But at least I could disable it with a defaults write command.

Oh and Mail, yes, it would sometimes stubbornly refuse to load new messages, or delay them by minutes. It worked fine the previous 10 years. It would've been free to just leave it alone.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by rafaelmn »

nvarsj wrote: post #498
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

I do love Gnome. If only we had hardware to run it :/. I'm stuck on a MBP because it's the only laptop with a great screen, speakers, and battery life. Meanwhile my keyboard keys keep getting stuck after a year of usage, and OSX is garbage. Soon as there is similar hardware I can load Linux on, I'll be insta-switching.

AMD AI Max 395 (superb name) proved that x86 can get to Apple silicon perf. (even not that far in power efficiency), but there seems to be 0 devices from non-trash brands (I am not buying ASUS or HP).

I would love to finally get out of Apple ecosystem, I just don't have any decent alternatives right now. Hopefully next year.

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