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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by bigyabai »

lynx97 wrote: post #512
bboygravity wrote: post #502

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You can't run an ad-blocker and you browse the web with JS turned on in Safari, but your Iphone is secure? yeah ok

I don't need an ad-blocker. I have YouTube Premium. And I really don't need Safari that often, actually. Besides, if we're really talking JS==insecure, 99% of users on desktop and mobile are insecure. I am sort of on your side, because I spend most of my web-time in Lynx in a tmux. But if I were to argue against JS, people would call me a weirdo. That war is over. I fought it until 2010.

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Post by echelon »

bradleybuda wrote: post #102
echelon wrote: post #38

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The ONLY answer is antitrust action from every major government. The trillion dollar companies are so massive that they are impinging upon every category of business that touches them. And they're so massive that their sinnew and tendrils touch everything under the sun. Mobile computing is de-facto owned by two companies. It's owned, tightly controlled like an authoritarian government, and heavily taxed. Compared wit…

If you don't like an iPhone, don't buy an iPhone. Don't legislate your consumer preferences on me.

Apple and iPhone are a gravitational singularity distorting every single market in the world.

Software companies bend the knee to Apple.

Global payments companies bend the knee to Apple.

Entertainment companies bend the knee to Apple.

On and on and on...

You cannot find a corner of the world that iPhone does not distort, tax, shape, or control in some shape or fashion. Some companies and industries to such an extreme that Apple becomes not just their landlord, but their master.

Desktop computing could never do this. Microsoft never had such draconian rules.

The automotive market doesn't resemble this. Dozens of countries have five or six major automakers. There's something for every budget and niche.

Gaming could never do this. There are three major consoles, six major PC distribution channels, mobile gaming, indie gaming, web gaming, tabletop/physical gaming - that market is huge. Honestly, this is what mobile computing should look like.

Only mobile computing and the web have become so perverted and encumbered. These markets are beyond Standard Oil levels of distortion. And the worst part is how massive, important, and all-encompassing these markets are. Everything in life is touched by these markets.

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Post by bigyabai »

duped wrote: post #496
bigyabai wrote: post #441

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You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector and App Store too, for all the good it does everyone in the EU. If a company uses their power to prevent competition with their own products or services, the market's jurisdiction reserves the right to restore competition to their market and prevent the harms inherent to monopoly abuse.

> You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector Thanks Apple, for switching connectors on your mobile devices once in 25 years and enforcing standards on 3p peripheral and cable manufacturers, until a government forced you to change making me throw all my cables away.

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Post by crazygringo »

sigmar wrote: post #293
Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

Couldn't you make that argument for literally any anticompetitive practice? Like in the 1990s: "Microsoft isn't making an OS for people that want to try different browsers"

Only if they're a monopoly.

In the 1990's, Microsoft Windows had over 90% of operating system market share. They were a monopoly.

iPhones are only 58% versus Android in the US right now. That's nowhere close to monopoly. Globally Android has 71%. Android is thriving.

With Windows, you didn't have a choice. With iOS and Android, you have choice.

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Post by fingerlocks »

ImJamal wrote: post #485
mistercheph wrote: post #466

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You never needed speeds in excess of usb 2.0? LOL, this is such old hat, guys in IBM t-shirts telling me how nobody ever needed more than 64K, and why go third party with your treasured computation when you can get the best, the infallible, the International Business Machine?

Apple is choosing to limit USB C to USB 2 speeds to encourage people pay for a more expensive model. The iPhone 16 pro max has USB 3 speeds after all...

No, it just shipped with a slower cable. You get high speed transfer with a thunderbolt cable

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Post by int_19h »

hyperbovine wrote: post #445
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #294

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You don't see how you can be a monopoly with nearly 2/3 market share and 2.5x market size of your next-largest competitor? You must not be very imaginative

Some other companies with similar market share: - Coca Cola - DoorDash - Adobe - Tesla - Canon digital cameras I guess we should break all them up too.

If they abuse their market dominance, we absolutely should.

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Post by tylerchilds »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

solution: red bubbles

apple already does blue for in network and green for out of network

red can just be “this message was yolo’d, be aware”

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Post by adhamsalama »

frollogaston wrote: post #358
sigmar wrote: post #293

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Couldn't you make that argument for literally any anticompetitive practice? Like in the 1990s: "Microsoft isn't making an OS for people that want to try different browsers"

I honestly don't care about Microsoft bundling a browser. The real problem was that they intentionally broke web standards to push websites to "work best on Internet Explorer," so even those who chose not to use Windows were caught up in it. Whereas, Android users aren't affected by what Apple does here. They still bundle Edge, and keep setting it to default. But idc, it's just one of 1000 reasons I don't use Windows…

Isn't the WebKit the only allowed browser engine on iOS?

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Post by guelo »

EA-3167 wrote: post #159
ch4s3 wrote: post #125

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If your value prop to customers is seamless and secure default behavior, then of course blocking insecure peripherals aligns with your financial interests. This doesn't seem nefarious at all to me.

Something I learned a while ago is that there's a particular brand of very vocal person online who has a bone to pick with Apple. Sometimes it's for a good reason, sometimes less so, but the point is that they come to discussions of any Apple topic with a conclusion ready in hand and then work backwards from that. In this case the conclusion is, "Apple is wicked, perfidious, and monopolistic." Truthfully there isn't…

Aren't all you apple defenders with very similar opinions also "a particular brand of very vocal person online"?
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