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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by throwaway314155 »

Philpax wrote: post #495
throwaway314155 wrote: post #453

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> Reminds of the robot arm in Iron Man 1. It's an impressive demo but perhaps you are misremembering Jarvis from Iron Man which is not only far faster but is effectively a full AGI system even at that point. Sorry if this feels pedantic, perhaps it is. But it seems like an analogy that invites pedantry from fans of that movie.

The robot arms in the movie are implied to have their own AIs driving them; Tony speaks to the malfunctioning one directly several times throughout the movie. Jarvis is AGI, yes, but is not what's being referred to here.

Ah good point!

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by system2 »

Animats wrote: post #89

I'd like to see more about what the Gemini system actually tells the robot. Eventually, it comes down to motor commands. It's not clear how they get there.

I think they call it Gemini while it is a voice activated robotic arm that is very well designed. I doubt this has anything to do with LLC other than communicating with the robotic software.

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Post by [deleted] »

recycledmatt wrote: post #311
mbrumlow wrote: post #309

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Nobody cares about the efficiency of recycling. Existing pro-recycling orgs will want no part of this and do what they can to stop it. This is because if it becomes easy then it won’t matter and all the marketing, non profit orgs and everything goes away, making it a non problem. While I am sure you will find people who will like these ideas and want them, they will have zero control. At this point recycling is a mar…

Most folks when they think of recycling, think of the blue bin they put out every week. That’s about 25% by weight of all that gets recycled in the country. Metals, industrial scrap, and other sources are 75% of what gets recycled in the US. We are blue collar businesses, with high labor costs. Many are exploring robotics actively for repetitive tasks. We have some robots in our process, looking for more when the ROI…

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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by jackcosgrove »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #276

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

I'm still waiting for the clothes-folding robot.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by genewitch »

dagw wrote: post #465
genewitch wrote: post #457

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Why does it even need to be that type of robot, a conveyor that has items on it, but its a mesh, a camera looks, and if something can be sorted just use compressed air to move it to a collection area/bin. Put an electromagnet at the start of the conveyor that can move on a gantry to another bin. Why's everything gotta have arms and graspers it's so inefficient. Robots aren't climbing trees or chasing food. They don't…

Why's everything gotta have arms and graspers it's so inefficient. We have designed a lot of processes and workplaces around the assumption that the 'machine' working there will be be around 160-190 cm tall, with two arms with graspers on the end and equipped with stereo colour vision cameras. The closer you make your new machine match that spec the less changes you have to make to your current setup. It also makes i…

I am having a hard time imagining a scenario where you have humans working where you can't replace them with a conveyor system. it doesn't need to be that long, you could have a 5 foot, linear, isolated section (about the sphere of a human range), and use compressed air and optical/laser sensing to pop stuff out of that section into a bin/trailer/whatever.

do you have a picture of a facility where they would have to replace humans with humanoid robots and a conveyor would not work?

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Post by nthingtohide »

alternatex wrote: post #434
decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

All of fiction is a distortion of sorts. Consider Wall-E movie fat people. The AI advancements shown in the movie should transitively imply that biotech, biomedical progress would be so high that we would have solved perfect health by then.

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Post by nthingtohide »

echoangle wrote: post #451
alternatex wrote: post #434

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Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

> show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy I don’t think that’s the main problem, there are a lot of moral dilemmas where even humans can’t agree what’s right.

Humans not agreeing has more to do with the fact that humans are called upon to take decisions with imperfect information under time constraints.

If each human could pause the state of the world and gather all information and then decide, they would act humanely

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Post by root_axis »

nthingtohide wrote: post #526
alternatex wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

All of fiction is a distortion of sorts. Consider Wall-E movie fat people. The AI advancements shown in the movie should transitively imply that biotech, biomedical progress would be so high that we would have solved perfect health by then.

Not really. As history shows, progress in one field of science/engineering/philosophy doesn't necessarily imply progress in others.

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Post by echoangle »

nthingtohide wrote: post #527
echoangle wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy I don’t think that’s the main problem, there are a lot of moral dilemmas where even humans can’t agree what’s right.

Humans not agreeing has more to do with the fact that humans are called upon to take decisions with imperfect information under time constraints. If each human could pause the state of the world and gather all information and then decide, they would act humanely

Not at all. Even if you have a completely hypothetical situation with well defined circumstances, the responses will be all over the place.

Just think of abortion, wars or legalizing drugs. People disagree completely over those because nobody agrees which choice would be the moral one.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

xyst wrote: post #401
cjmcqueen wrote: post #276

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

Have seen demos where garbage sorting has been automated. No AI necessary. Just had cameras, visual detection, some compressed air nozzles, and millisecond (nanosecond?) reaction time to separate the non-recyclable materials.

About 199x, Dortmund, Germany...

Lead to nothing. At least not at the time. AFAIK the initial garbage stream is still manually inspected and separated at most sites.

And the people doing that have a much higher risk of getting sick, because of all sorts of bacteria, mold, spores, chemicals, VOC, whatever.

Not to mention the stink.

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