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What are you trying to say here? People shouldn’t donate or that donators love war? I am pretty sure people donating don’t “love war”. I’m pretty sure Ukrainians don’t love war, but see it as necessary self-defense against hostile invasion.

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It seems like Ukraine is insisting on a “security guarantee.” Can someone explain how the U.S. providing a security guarantee wouldn’t increase the risk of american boots on the ground in Ukraine?

An actual lasting peace deal requires some sort of security guarantee, else it's not really a "peace deal", but rather something more like a capitulation. If US political leadership didn't have at least some solution for security in mind to begin with, then they wouldn't have been negotiating in good faith. That said, Security Guarantees don't necessarily directly mean boots on the ground, certainly not straight away…

Stop. Dude isn't interested in a real answer, he's concern trolling. He propogandizes his position over and over on this site.

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Of course it increases the risk - it's the whole point of the ask.

Why is nobody being open about that? Because I suspect the appetite for that is low. Germany is about closer to Russia than we are—how many Germans are willing to go die in Ukraine?

How this works is pretty common knowledge. The world has been using peacekeepers for quite a while. But you know that and you know you are just concern trolling.

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Why do people think it is so far fetched that Trump is a Russian asset given his behavior in his last term (trying to blackmail Zelenskyy on an official call) and his credit problems in the past (no banks would lend to him given his failure to pay back any loan, with the exception of an obscure channel through a German bank)? Perhaps Trump is just in debt to Putin and this is payback, he was intentionally crass to Ze…

The phone was a domestic politics issue. Actual Russian assets exist, people like Jackson Hinkle and Tim Pool. Trump generally doesn't fit the mold.

A good method is to make predictions based on an assumption. A month ago, a CRAZY prediction of actions if Trump was a Russian agent would be:

Active attempts to remove Zelinsky. Stop all aid. Remove sanctions on Russia. Stop are cyber activity and planning of such against Russia.

Trump has done all of the above (well he's only ordered the removing of sanctions as of today).

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They just want the US to keep their word on promises already made. Is that so unreasonable? They gave up their nukes for it.

The nukes were never under Ukraine control or possession. It's like saying Turkey has nukes, they don't, they are US nukes.

It was considered enough of a big deal that there was a Treaty about it.

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Richard Nixon on Soviet Union “We must be ever watchful when dealing with regimes whose actions have often betrayed their promises.” Ronald Reagan “I call the Soviet Union an evil empire.” George H. W. Bush on Russia “The history of deception and coercion reminds us that trust is never given lightly—it must be earned and continuously verified.” George W. Bush “We call on Moscow to immediately cease its aggressive act…

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> This is a good thing.

Read until the end...And say that again while looking at a mirror...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_inva...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_Russian...

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It's one thing to stop all aid to Ukraine. That makes you an asshole in a world full of assholes. But it's another thing to do that while simultaneously working to restore relations with Russia. There is only one word for that: evil. Back in the late 90s to late 2000s, people in Western Europe generally had pretty negative views of the US. It was the country that refused to fight against climate change, launched an i…

We allied with Stalin in world war III, now that's evil. Putin will be a good ally against China, who is an actual threat to the United States.

Oh look, new talking point on why aligning with Putin is actual fine has dropped.

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Do you remember that started because Russia already invaded part of Ukraine in 2014? Do you remember Russia’s promises when Ukraine voluntarily ceded their nuclear arsenal to Russia?

Not sure what the point you are making is? Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts? That can go on indefinitely and is why we keep having wars.

> Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts

But, it is you that did just that. You picked up an event from the 1960's in a totally different continent, to justify Russian continued agressions against Ukraine.

I answered by actually pointing out an event from 10 years ago that's directly related to this war.

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Richard Nixon on Soviet Union “We must be ever watchful when dealing with regimes whose actions have often betrayed their promises.” Ronald Reagan “I call the Soviet Union an evil empire.” George H. W. Bush on Russia “The history of deception and coercion reminds us that trust is never given lightly—it must be earned and continuously verified.” George W. Bush “We call on Moscow to immediately cease its aggressive act…

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It worked so well for Ukraine, who had peaceful relations with Russia, and even a pro-Russian president, up until Russia's invasion of Crimea.

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Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

You think random factoids are driving Trump’s viewpoint? Trump overthrew the Bush dynasty by eviscerating Jeb over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b . Now, neocons want to chalk that up as bad execution of an otherwise sound ideology. But you don’t think that Trump’s supporters could genuinely disagree with that assessment—think that the underlying problem is that america is too willing t…

I always wonder how is it that you are allowed to post so much in controversial political threads, yet your posts are usually significantly voted down. Does the rate limiting not apply to you?

Also is anyone seriously suggested France or Germany would be next? Wouldn't it be more like Poland? And your perspective reeks of the weeks prior to the Ukraine invasion, where so many swore Russia would never do it, it was just Biden-antagonism. And this isn't me being pro Biden. These are just facts.

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