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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mschild wrote: post #504
dzhiurgis wrote: post #501

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So it's not reliability assessment but safety check.

It's safety, yes. To fail this test there can be any number of causes but for Tesla they specifically mention light, axle, and breaks as failure points. The 14.2% was for cars receiving their first Hauptuntersuchung (main inspection) done every 24 months (so 2-3 years old cars). If a car model has that many problems while competitors in a similar price range and use model don't, that could point to an issue with part…

Without mileage this data is worth ZERO.

Other than lights, the problem with control arms and brakes are known. Brake service is recommended and ignored because unlike VW, et all - there's not stealership model to charge you $500 a year for worthless maintenance.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by sidibe »

mrguyorama wrote: post #518
rzzzt wrote: post #130

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The "Use feature ABC? Yes/Not now" dialog that shows up day by day until users click "Yes" increased usage of ABC by a significant amount!

Speaking of which, so many people here were wondering what specific shenanigans Google was getting at with forcing Gemini into google workspaces. Well then they go on a superbowl ad and brag about "millions of people using Gemini" Ladies and Gentlemen: You ever fake metrics for a commercial? I haven't.

I doubt it's tied to the commercial "millions" is probably easily met through the search blurb "AI overviews" or people who have accepted it on their phones or google homes

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Post by dzhiurgis »

lostlogin wrote: post #452
decimalenough wrote: post #367

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AFD is indeed a far-right party and the optics of Musk supporting it are to put it mildly bizarre, but it is also one of the largest political parties in Germany, not a "Nazi organization". They advocate halting immigration, not genocide.

The AfD goes beyond just opposing immigration and they struggle to shake their Nazi links. Talks of deporting immigrants, getting into minimising SS culpability for Nazi crimes, use of Nazi slogans, links to convicted Nazis and banned Nazi parties. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liais... https://www.politico.eu/article/hidden-nazi-heritage-germany…

So they are not really nazi and calling musk one is like 6 degrees of separation..?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by webnrrd2k »

tomp wrote: post #350
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

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If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

It's literally illegal. In the EU, it's illegal to sell cars that don't have back camera, not beeping if seatbelt not fastened, and not beeping if speed limit is exceeded.

Don't they sell used cars in Europe?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

ornornor wrote: post #507
ryandrake wrote: post #481

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I remember when i was a kid and the cars started dinging when your seat belt was unbuckled, and my family (and everyone we knew) went out and bought empty buckles that just plugged into the seat belt latch, to defeat the dinging and let you drive without your seatbelt in peace. I wonder if these still work to defeat the more and more aggressive warnings.

> drive without your seatbelt in peace That’s one very stupid way to die.

We just had two teenage boys in the area get ejected through the windshield (not wearing seat belts). One died, one's in the hospital.

Wear your seatbelt.

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

ryandrake wrote: post #484
michaelt wrote: post #292

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> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

It's ridiculous that any of these things need microcontrollers. My first car's door had a little joystick that physically moved the mirror around, presumably using pushrods or something. The door lock was a physical device you moved up and down, and had a motor connected (power door locks were fancy). It also had cranked window controls, not so nice. But power windows didn't need a computer either. We keep taking thi…

> presumably using pushrods

It was probably using stepper motors, with the pulse train being generated by a microcontroller.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

leoedin wrote: post #363
dan-robertson wrote: post #334

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Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars…

How much safer are they? I can totally believe that the crash safety of cars improved hugely in the 90s - that's basically when large crumple zones, computer modelling of crash performance, airbags, seatbelt pretensioners etc were all developed. But 20 years ago was 2005. What's changed on a modern car since 2005? There's obviously a lot more safety features (and these have increasingly been part of the crashworthine…

The safest cars basically saturated the safety tests. To the point where car companies are making up their own tests, simulating much more dangerous collisions.

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Post by stevage »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #451
stevage wrote: post #310

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>Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him OP doesn't make any implication about Musk at all, his name is only mentioned in passing. >I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. This is not a useful contribution. Obviously there are many satisfied Tesla customers. No one doubts this. The point of an article like this is to bring to light just how bad a Tesla experienc…

You are replying to an anecdotal blog post to say that a comment that is just an anecdote is not a useful contribution? You think it's useful to have a blog post to reveal the shocking truth that mass manufactured products aren't 100% reliable? A lemon could be produced by any auto manufacturer and the customer could have the same experience

TFA was a detailed explanation of a specific and complex failure. The comment was essentially "works for me", which, compared to that, was not useful.

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Post by sizzle »

Reubachi wrote: post #492
ryandrake wrote: post #478

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> The next car I am going to buy is probably going to be older than my current one. I've also come to this bizarre conclusion. Cars are rapidly regressing. I currently drive an '09, and yearly maintenance costs have begun to approach the value of the car. I'm not sure how long I can economically keep it on the road, but what would I replace it with? A '24 Driving-IoT-Nighmare?

Grass ain't always greener. Depending on your locale, you're going to need to replace all suspension, steering, exhaust, frame peices etc. on that 09' car you bought used for 6. Will quickly approach 20k in time and money, and at that point, most people bite the bullet and deal with new car bullshit/payments.

Also do a transmission drain and fill only not a flush which will distribute all the gunk around and mess things up.
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