Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed • Hacker News Board

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by marxisttemp » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:08 AM UTC

medellin wrote: post #486

intended wrote: post #456

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Did people forget the_donald? What do people think others will do, when they see that the_donald behavior gets rewarded by electoral and political support? If its not clear, everyone is going to radicalize, because its getting success.

Likely take a break from social media and talk with some real people. Lots of people voted for trump aren’t radical actually none that i know are. I come from a small town in a red state and yes they completely disagree with democrats on pretty much everything but the stuff you read on reddit is so far fetched and extreme I don’t know how anyone would take it seriously. They believe people hate Americans and everyone…

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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by int_19h » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:11 AM UTC

arp242 wrote: post #305

jkubicek wrote: post #271

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> But these days half of it is outrage bait, ranging from "WOKE LIBTARD GETS DESTROYED" to "TRUMP LOSES HIS MIND", or malicious clickbait like "you won't believe what the cast if $tv_show looks like now" with some AI generated thing of one cast member being horribly maimed. Even on stuff that has nothing to do with any of that, like some music video. I don't know what I'm doing differently than you, but I don't see A…

First example I tried: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLF-f4kUtAw 7th recommended is " "YOU WILL BE INDICTED AND JAILED! " Jim Jordan SILENCE Overconfident Hillary Clinton" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbqHVba3Ohs ) I'm not logged in. I don't save cookies. Unfortunately my regular internet has an outage and I need to rely on a mobile hotspot which YouTube seems to throttle with 20 second delays on everything, s…

FWIW I pretty much only see music videos in recommendations for the one you've linked to if I open it in a private Safari tab.

(If I use my normal session, it's still all music, but skewed more towards my personal tastes.)

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:14 AM UTC

scelerat wrote: post #363

gadders wrote: post #218

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There was just as much "large pain" being inflicted on people in the previous 4 years, it just didn't affect you personally.

Examples, please. If you are trans, you were just de-personed by executive order and your passport was invalidated. If you also happened to be an incarcerated female, you are being transferred to male facilities. These are actions which will have life-altering consequences. That's only one thing among many others (ICE immigrant raids which also sweep up legal immigrants and citizens who don't "look American") just in…

Some Americans were left behind in Afghanistan, and thirteen Marines were killed there due to the incompetent execution of the withdrawal. Other Americans were taken hostage by Hamas with next to no serious effort to recover them. Many were fired from their jobs or discharged from the military if they refused to take an experimental vaccine. Others who took the vaccine suffered myocarditis and other vaccine injuries. Many people have overdosed on fentanyl or fallen victim to gangs like Tren de Aragua that simply walked across the open southern border. Tens of thousands of US construction jobs were destroyed by the cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline. I can keep going but I think I've made my point.

And if you're not just counting US citizens, there's a war in Ukraine that's killed over a million people and another war in Gaza, the latter of which was precipitated by the bloodiest mass killing of Jews since the Holocaust.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by defrost » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:15 AM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #522

arp242 wrote: post #305

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First example I tried: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLF-f4kUtAw 7th recommended is " "YOU WILL BE INDICTED AND JAILED! " Jim Jordan SILENCE Overconfident Hillary Clinton" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbqHVba3Ohs ) I'm not logged in. I don't save cookies. Unfortunately my regular internet has an outage and I need to rely on a mobile hotspot which YouTube seems to throttle with 20 second delays on everything, s…

FWIW I pretty much only see music videos in recommendations for the one you've linked to if I open it in a private Safari tab. (If I use my normal session, it's still all music, but skewed more towards my personal tastes.)

Very much the same for myself as for you.

I suspect the GP comment is tainted by the video history by IP associations of

> I need to rely on a mobile hotspot

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by int_19h » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:15 AM UTC

parliament32 wrote: post #13

baal80spam wrote: post #7

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> It would boil down to "focus on things you can control" If it only was so simple. How to define such things? Case in point: the biggest "outrage factor" seems to be politics. Well - _can_ you control your country's government? Yes, you can - however not directly. And this means that "I don't care about politics" stance is bad. edit: spelling

It's an excellent point, but is there value in you (as an American, I presume) being around-the-clock outraged for the next four years? Or does it make sense for you to do some research and make a decision in the few weeks leading up to an election? What can you "control" here in the other 206 weeks of the current term? I'm not saying you shouldn't care about politics at all. But politics in a country you're not a ci…

> And politics in your own country only really matter when it's time to vote, right?

Not really, since by the time you get to vote, it might, for example, so happen that there are no real opposition candidates, because they are effectively blocked from running. Or the opposition is there, but is locked out from all the usual mass propaganda outlets (TV etc).

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by bjt » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:18 AM UTC

dimal wrote: post #167

_fat_santa wrote: post #35

I've been an avid news consumer since ~2016 and early on I remember getting very outraged at articles, tweets and other pieces of news I read. Over time I realized that these articles want you to be outraged, and that the outrage is a form of control. Over time though I picked up on these "outrage triggers" and that's helped me be much more objective about news I'm reading. I'll be reading an article and I can usuall…

I had to give up news altogether before I could notice this, but yeah, news exists for the sole purpose of creating outrage in order to generate ad impressions. When you get outraged by one story, you’re more likely to click on the next related headline. We’re destroying our society so we can make less than a penny per page.

For anyone wanting to skip the outrage but still get news and analysis, I can't recommend the PBS News Hour highly enough.

Today's episode, for example: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/february-5-2025-pbs-news-h...

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Post by cocacola1 » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:25 AM UTC

turbojet1321 wrote: post #516

johnnyanmac wrote: post #450

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So what's your alternative? Living in ignorance until it's too late?

That's a false equivalence which is at the heart of the issue. You seem to be be assuming that "being informed" makes you better placed and/or more willing to take right action, but I'm not convinced that's the case

Not being informed doesn’t even give you the option to consider getting involved.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:29 AM UTC

yostrovs wrote: post #25

What is actually outrageous is that Scientific American publishes articles like this. It's an institution that, like so many, is destroying itself by getting into politics, especially the politics of outrage.

Yep, Scientific American took a huge swing towards activism after the 2016 elections. The other comments claiming it has always been political are gaslighting. It got captured the same way much of mainstream media was. This article is just the latest proof of it.

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Post by dralley » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:32 AM UTC

vaccineai wrote: post #504

hnfong wrote: post #502

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I don't know what you want to claim by the link, it literally says "Unverified – No official CBP data has been released to confirm Trump’s claim."

Look further Data obtained by fox news suggested that migrant arrivals at the southern border declined by 60% in the first week of Trump’s presidency compared to the last week of Biden’s administration. However, this figure differs from Trump’s 93% claim. That's why I said 60-90%

60% reduction of a small number is a small number.

Go look at how much the numbers dropped from 2022 to 2024. The problem was effectively solved already.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by datavirtue » Thu, Feb 06, 2025, 4:43 AM UTC

xvector wrote: post #490

svnt wrote: post #352

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I deleted my LinkedIn several years ago. I can only recommend it if you are independently wealthy, want to become an ascetic, or more broadly, your goal is to never be hired or really even evaluated for much in the business world again. None of the rest of the social networks serve as a sanity check on your resume/application/meeting.

It is scary that one platform has so much control over people's lives. If LinkedIn were to ban me for whatever reason tomorrow, finding a job would become virtually impossible.

I could still get a job but it would require more effort. I keep my network updated on what I'm doing and new opportunities, not just jobs, present themselves to me. People who avoid LinkedIn remind of those who scoff at the stock market. Yes, it sucks if you hold it wrong.