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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The…
So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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What information was withheld? I hadn't heard national security invoked in this context before.
Maybe they weren't at the end of that sentence yet, but they were definitely at the start of it. "governed by surprise" yes. "receiving decisions deliberated in secret" very much yes.
Is it really fair to call it a surprise when prediction markets had 80% odds on her since the day Biden dropped out? (https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7057/Who-will-win-t...)
Or did you mean Biden dropping out itself? I don't see how anyone could have reasonably offered more notice that he was dropping out - presumably there was a fairly rapid decline in health for him to make that decision after the primary.
Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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So, to confuse the issue, the country is officially called Ireland (it's in the constitution!), and that is the name normally used in Ireland and in Europe. The UK government officially referred to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland until 1998 (it now calls it Ireland) and as a result people in the UK often call it the Republic of Ireland. People calling it the Irish Republic usually have an agenda in doing so, yeah.…
Even more confusing, the constitution defines the name as Éire, but using this term is considered passé or rude if you're not speaking English. https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html ARTICLE 4 The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.
Sorry, I meant if you’re not speaking Irish
Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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You are clearly saying it's acceptable for Israel to respond to the pogrom on their citizens. Can you clarify whether or not it's also acceptable for Palestine to respond to the pogrom on their citizens? Is this a privilege that every country gets, or just Israel? And does the amount of acceptable response scale in proportion to the amount of citizens killed in the pogrom?
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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening…
>> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
> Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians,
they did
> and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th,
Haifa Massacre 1937
Jerusalem Massacre 1937
Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
Haifa Massacre 1939
Haifa Massacre 1947
Abbasiya Massacre 1947
Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947
Jerusalem Massacre 1947
Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
Jaffa Massacre 1948
Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
Tantura Massacre 1948
Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
Jerusalem Massacre 1967
Bahro Al Baquar 1972
Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990
Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002
Gaza Massacre 2008-09
Gaza Massacre 2012
Gaza Massacre 2014
Gaza Massacre 2018-19
Gaza Massacre 2021
Gaza Massacre 2023
This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.
Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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Maybe they weren't at the end of that sentence yet, but they were definitely at the start of it. "governed by surprise" yes. "receiving decisions deliberated in secret" very much yes.
Is it really fair to call it a surprise when prediction markets had 80% odds on her since the day Biden dropped out? ( https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7057/Who-will-win-t... ) Or did you mean Biden dropping out itself? I don't see how anyone could have reasonably offered more notice that he was dropping out - presumably there was a fairly rapid decline in health for him to make that decision after the primar…
> presumably there was a fairly rapid decline in health for him to make that decision after the primary.
That's a generous assumption that doesn't really fit with how he seemed in public appearances before and after. The alternative possibility is that the narrative where he drops out of the primary and so the D candidate "has to" be appointed at a time when it's "too late" for the public to be involved was a deliberate one.
Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening…
>> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre…
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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)
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> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening…
>> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre…
Firstly, this list is completely one-sided. If you actually think you're right, why not write something real? Do you honestly think this is a good representation of reality? It's like writing down a list of Allied attacks in WW2.
Secondly, what do you think this proves in terms of whether there is a war? Again, I can make a similar list of battles in WW2. Does that mean WW2 is still happening? Obviously not.
A bunch of what you wrote is before Israel was even founded. At least one is a (horrendous) terrorist attack carried out by an Israeli, but not by Israel. A bunch of them are from the war that followed Israeli independence, when multiple Arab nations attacked Israel. The biggest country that attacked Israel in that war iirc - Egypt - has had a peace agreement with Israel for 40 years!
You could say there is a war with Hamas, though officially there was a ceasefire following the previous fighting, which you call - for some reason - the "Gaza Massacre 2021").