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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by schlch »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #261
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

I was going to say "when I was a kid, raves happened out in the woods where there is no real estate cost", but then I realized the lack of socializing or risky behaviours pretty much eliminates this form of partying today, haha. It's also impossible for kids living in most population centres. I guess it was just a weird rural-kid thing here in Western Canada. I wasn't a raver but I went to a couple, and wow, what a t…

These kind of parties are still happening. At least in Europe this is still a thing.

I’m in my thirties and have been involved with these kind of parties for at least ten years.

A general trend that I have been observing for years though is what usually is being referred to as „TikTok Guys“. This involves guys and girls in their early twenties wearing fetish outfits and doing lots of drugs.

I don’t care about people coming in fetish outfits to our parties but I don’t want some young guy overdose on one our parties. In practice this means that we have been much more careful about who knows when and where a party is happening.

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Post by rurp »

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

> Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction.

Right, most types of social gatherings have decreased over the past 15 years. Events that haven't fallen off are the noteworthy ones.

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Post by leptons »

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

The quality of today's electronic music has gone way down too, it's just not really appealing at all. My wife who was very much a raver in the 90's calls the new music "alarm clock sounds" - something designed to annoy instead of make you dance. It's just so abrasive and lacking any funkiness or danceability at all. It's no wonder kids these days are turning towards other forms of entertainment. My niece who is her early 20s is into Pearl Jam. At least their music has some kind of soul to it.

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Post by indrora »

jakefromstatecs wrote: post #480
mjsir911 wrote: post #166

NPR did a recent expose about a local renegade spot & the shows it supports in my scene: https://www.kuow.org/stories/under-the-bridge-a-portrait-of-... With mixed results, it kind of burned the spot by virtue of being talked about in too wide an audience but I think it's also important to make it known to the mainstream that this kind of stuff is happening. All that's needed to make a rave happen is music & speakers…

Was a favorite spot of mine. A shame that the NPR coverage burned it. At least we still have plenty of forest areas to renegade in.

It was burned years ago.

Give it two years or so to fade. There’s just not enough low cost big spaces to hold shit in.

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Post by znpy »

ethbr1 wrote: post #457
brabel wrote: post #358

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When my mom was teen, she says the way they had the most fun was to go to dancing parties in people's houses and sometimes in some special venue for younger people. That was in the 60's. As I grew up in the 80's we had nothing like that, we just went to night clubs or some street full of bars/restaurants. Dancing was mostly a thing you did by yourself, like in most night clubs still these days, not like she describes…

Imho, the internet / mobile apps have drastically atrophied younger generations' face-to-face social interaction skills. And specifically their appetite for the risk/discomfort that goes along with living in realtime physical moments with other people. Human beings are awkward as hell, but that's what laughter and tolerance are the bridges for.

> And specifically their appetite for the risk/discomfort that goes along with living in realtime physical moments with other people.

The risk/discomfort lasted just that night. Nowadays everyone is posting everything everywhere. No wonder youngsters don’t want to risk it.

This is a form of social cooling in my opinion.

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Post by znpy »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #170
jamestimmins wrote: post #157

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

It's interesting how the creation of the internet still hasn't caused real estate prices to plummet. Even two years of covid couldn't do it.

Covid did that, just not in the way we thought.

The thing is, the managerial class is pushing for a return to the office, trying to reinstate the former balance.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by thefaux »

zonotope wrote: post #386
mtalantikite wrote: post #309

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I guess the 20-somethings I know (and knew when I was also 20-something) are broke artists and models. They don't have $200 to spend on a night out every weekend. Nowadays certainly is affordable and there are others of course. People make it work. There were definitely expensive clubs that kids with money went to when I was young -- a friend ran sound at The Box and that was always wildly priced. But there was no sh…

I think a lot of those illegal warehouse parties died with the DeBlasio administration. At least, that's when I stopped hearing about them so I am open to the possibility that I'm no longer plugged in to the right scene. The DeBlasio administration was the first to add a "night mayor", and they made it easier to open legit venues in the same neighborhoods that used to host the illegal warehouse parties, like that tri…

If you haven't read it, you might like Emily Witt's recent book Health & Safety. She writes about her experiences raving in Brooklyn (and Berlin) from roughly 2015 to present day and many of the changes that have occurred (as well as dropping in her own personal story which may or may not be interesting to you).

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Post by rurp »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #478
geodel wrote: post #415

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Huh, why is college getting expensive, healthcare getting expensive, day care getting expensive, hell even streaming services getting expensive, none of these are heavily restricted that no development is happening there. And in many cities breakneck construction activity is happening still real estate is getting very expensive. This seems rather simplistic reason to me.

All government interference—significantly restricting supply and then doling out free money/tax-breaks to pay for whats left. As if govt leaders never took an econ 101 class.

Perhaps economic issues at the scale of a modern country can be more complicated than would be covered by an econ 101 lesson.

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

9rx wrote: post #463
tensor wrote: post #434

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That doesn't make sense to me. Anecdotally, most people I know who love actual raves generally didn't go to clubs, for one. But also more broadly, I've heard from multiple local venues that one big change is that EDM crowds don't drink as much. This means venues make A LOT less money, and that means fewer venues. If I had to guess, another factor is that younger crowds don't have the buying power older generations ha…

> Anecdotally, most people I know who love actual raves generally didn't go to clubs, for one. In a similar vein, most people I know who love watching sports do not play the sport they enjoy watching. However, like the parent, I suspect that the numbers watching a sport strongly correlates with the numbers playing the sport. There need not be overlap between the watchers and the players for the correlation to stand.…

> Raves and clubs are different expressions of what is essentially the same fashion.

This is a very efficient way to communicate that you don’t have experience with raves and/or clubs.

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