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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by krisoft »

abeppu wrote: post #94
gpm wrote: post #82

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Do you have a source that the act is being interpreted by the government to include prohibiting network operators from serving traffic? That definitely seems like it would be a stretch given the text of the act The act prohibits > (A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including…

The "and not be allowed to host content on US servers" is kinda funny as a requirement in context. Prior to the law being passed IIUC TikTok had already put in a bunch of work to make sure American data was stored in the US, with a US cloud vendor, with access controls, which were to demonstrate that this data was not accessible to the Chinese. Serving in the US, with big US cloud partner was meant to be a way to cre…

> Serving in the US, with big US cloud partner was meant to be a way to create confidence.

Huawei tried a similar confidence building tactic by paying UK cyber spooks to scour their code to show they don't have backdoors. The so called Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre. Didn't work out for them either.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Cookingboy »

xanderlewis wrote: post #427
t0bia_s wrote: post #416

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- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.

Holy shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department?

Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi...

U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Cookingboy »

libertine wrote: post #467
HKH2 wrote: post #445

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Chinese Tiktok is forcibly wholesome (by Chinese standards). They do not believe in absolute freedom of speech. Now Americans have just conceded that they don't believe in it either. It's good that we're all on the same page now.

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>Deliberately misinforming people, especially under a foreign state payroll, is illegal.

First of all if you have any evidence of TikTok engaging in it, you should present it since even our government have said there is no such evidence and that possibility remains hypothetical.

Secondly no, it's not illegal to spread misinformation, no matter the motive. The First Amendment absolutely guarantees that right.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

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So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

They should ban domestic stupid memes and brainrot, too.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by onemoresoop »

api wrote: post #485
libertine wrote: post #465

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Are you aware of what happened in Romania with Tiktok? A candidate got funded by foreign agents, paid for influencers, and sprinkled with Russian bot accounts it was enough to make a pro-Russian candidate get 20% of votes when he was an unknown political figure.[0] The app allows this. You can try to distract everyone from an app that enables illegal foreign interference by hiding under the guise of "oh, this is just…

The solution to this is to change the way elections work to make it harder to pull off this kind of short term influence pumping. The problem is that it’s possible to flood the zone with shit before people have a chance to have discourse on it. I’ve heard a number of ideas including multiple round elections with averaged results. That way if someone pops in round one the discourse can focus a spotlight on them and if…

All social media is a fertile ground for propaganda and manipulation by bots. The only way forward is to ban politics in all social media.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #498
flkenosad wrote: post #452

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If your timeline is brainrot it's because the algorithm has determined that is what you like.

It goes beyond the algorithm. Have you seen the garbage that shows up in trending lists?

Have you seen the kind of politicians voters elect?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by kypro »

brookst wrote: post #146
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

I think a ban that prohibits the distribution of a product is fine.

My understanding is that private citizens are still legally allowed to use TikTok if they want, but TikTok isn't allowed to market their product directly to US consumers via App stores. That seems pretty reasonable given China's position on US internet products.

Free trade and openness only works if all parties agree on the rules. If one party is open while the other exploits that openness by selectively opening up only when it benefits them then undermines the principles you believe in.

If we want China to be more open we have to ensure they're playing by the rules and they're not going to do that if we continue to allow them to exploit us.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Cookingboy »

kelnos wrote: post #250
brookst wrote: post #172

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Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

>No speech or information is being suppressed;

Except the whole reason for the TikTok bill is that information/speech will be under Chinese government control on TikTok and that can be weaponized.

So make up your mind, if you say TikTok is being banned for the possibility of "weaponized propaganda", then it is information being suppressed.

If you say it's not about information suppression, then you can't use the "Chinese propaganda" argument, which is used by pretty much all ban supporters.

>This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

That's exactly what it is.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

wiseowise wrote: post #237
jussaying2 wrote: post #202

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Well if that's the problem, then maybe address that, perhaps by teaching people critical thinking skills? But teaching people to ask critical questions risks unraveling the fabric of American capitalism ("Hey why is it that the government spends more on healthcare per capita than any other OECD country but with markedly worse outcomes?", "How can we call ourselves the greatest nation on Earth when we are simultaneous…

> But teaching people to ask critical questions risks How long will it take to do it on a meaningful scale, all while “free-thinkers” (read Chinese and Russian bots) beat the drum of “they’re brainwashing you”?

To be fair, everyone I disagree with is a Russian bot or a .
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