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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by lolc »

metachris wrote: post #477
donalhunt wrote: post #472

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That wasn't the case in the past. Events over the past 15 years have resulted in most companies encrypting all traffic between datacenters (due to the perceived risk). TLS between consumers and companies is probably at an all time high though due to a push for end-to-end encryption.

TLS doesn't help here, because state actors (including China, Russia) own trusted root certificates, which allow them to TLS-terminate for _any_ website they choose and silently decrypt/MITM the traffic.

TLS offers quite good protection actually: Anytime they create fraudulent certificates they risk burning their CA. Attacks need to be very targeted to keep risk of detection low. Due to Certificate Transparency, hiding attacks got even harder. And for sites that use cert pinning, the attack doesn't even work in the first place.

And eavesdrop is one thing but I'm not clear how you could MITM an undersea cable without the operators noticing.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by aguaviva »

valval wrote: post #486
aguaviva wrote: post #345

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NATO has engaged in a dozen wars and conflicts as aggressors. A careful examination of the list below suggests that, in terms of your choice of the words "dozen" and "aggressor", the way they are usually meant in English -- you're definitely stretching things, here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations

I know what I said, and I was careful with my words. We have this thing going on in the west where we are the good guys, and every war we start is an anti-terrorist operation. For Russia, the term just now was “special military operation”. It’s hilarious when you realise how the world works. Controlling words means controlling minds. We’ve grown quite good at it. We went to Korea and took any of our allies who wanted…

I know what I said, and I was careful with my words.

Except your number is way off, and has no connection to reality.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by card_zero »

ninjin wrote: post #497
kookamamie wrote: post #485

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A ship. The ship is named Newnew Polar Bear.

Reference for those of us unfamiliar with the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_un...

Thank you! Had heard nothing about this one.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by aguaviva »

chgs wrote: post #442
rightbyte wrote: post #284

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Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died, maybe hunderds of thousands.

Not "hundreds of thousands". That's just pure anxiety.

Reliable estimate ranges are out there. They're easy to find. If you want to, you can find them.

They're all below 100k.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by throw2343223434 »

nazgob wrote: post #87
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #74

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I agree. Do you want to sign up and go fight in a war? Or should other people besides you die? It's easy to say it "needs to be dealt with" but it's not an easy thing to do.

Some of us live close enough that it's not really an option, surrendering to Russians don't work that great if you live in Eastern Europe. I will volunteer first day to join Polish Army.

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by sedan_baklazhan »

gspr wrote: post #519
sedan_baklazhan wrote: post #453

So blowing up North Stream was fun, but this somewhy isn’t. I’m very often puzzled by the logic and morale in the West.

> So blowing up North Stream was fun, but this somewhy isn’t. I’m very often puzzled by the logic and morale in the West. North Stream was blown up by the desperate defender in a war of aggression. These undersea cables were (likely) severed by the aggressor in the same war. Are you less puzzled now?

All media coverage after Nord Stream was blown did say that Russia did it (just because it's evil, no real reasoning was presented). So, was it really Russia that destroyed German infrastructure? Or was it someone else?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by alkonaut »

euroderf wrote: post #73

So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.

The Danish straits is European Waters. We fully control shipping in and out of the Baltic. International law dictates that Denmark cannot prohibit transit passage of foreign vessels unless the vessels appear to be violating the international rules on marine pollution prevention.

So Denmark can start assuming every vessel (or at least more vessels) are in violation. Russia can take that to some international court if they so desire. Inspect every ship. Question the crews. Take plenty of time doing it. Perishable goods on board will perish before reaching St Petersburg and Kaliningrad. Tankers will be refused entry, limiting or delaying export income for Russia.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by throw2343223434 »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #186
petre wrote: post #91

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Best course of action at this time would be to properly arm Ukraine.

What exactly would "properly" arming Ukraine look like? The entire Western world doesn't produce enough Patriot missiles to meet Ukraine's air defense needs, just as one critical example. We are aiming for a global production target of 750 missiles/year ( https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15354795 ).... Russia has fired about 6,000 missiles and large drones per year ( https://kyivindependent.com/defense-ministry-ove…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by alecco »

tenuousemphasis wrote: post #383
burningChrome wrote: post #373

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Its also been widely reported that when Trump first met Putin he said if he invaded Ukraine, he would turn Moscow and several other cities into a parking lot. Trump in several interviews has said he warned Putin not to do it, that he would pay a very, very heavy cost and he would see to it that he would. This is all Trump had to do. He was able to leverage the media's reporting on him that he was reckless, dangerous…

Surely you should be able to provide a source for the claim that Trump threatened Putin over Ukraine.

Not op. But in 2018 Trump did scold live on camera the German leaders for buying gas from Russia. "Germany is completely controlled by Russia".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JpwkeTBwgs

NOTE: I mostly don't like Trump. But the "Russiagate" angle is ridiculous.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by theshrike79 »

Maxion wrote: post #430
Aloisius wrote: post #360

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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…

The Finnish authorities know exactly who did it, but what are they going to do?

Sanction Russia? Fire a few missiles at Moscow? Write a sternly worded letter?

It's just added to the pile of "shit that Russia does without repercussions" which is opened when (not if) they actually cross the border to Finland and find out what happens when you fuck around with a country who's been preparing for Russian invasion for 100 years.

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