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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by actionfromafar »

riazrizvi wrote: post #460
returningfory2 wrote: post #345

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Yes! Great find. (Although, even these statistics are not as simple as they seem! E.g., when an H-1B status holder changes employer this counts as a new receipt even though the number of H-1B workers hasn't changed. In periods of time when there is lots of churn in the labor market, like in 2022, you would see higher receipt numbers just from the churn. It's complicated!)

Thank you all for clarifying. So 80k/year is the key number.

And for how long they stay and how many get green cards.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by s1artibartfast »

carlosjobim wrote: post #511
s1artibartfast wrote: post #455

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Workers aren't monolithic. I'll be the first to admit that the disadvantages outweigh the benefits for specific workers. NAFTA sucked for autoworkers. H1B visas suck for IT and software workers. I think other types of workers benefit more than the portrait you paint, and not just the capital owners. Unless you are a utilitarian (I'm not), I agree there is a valid debate on how much policy should disadvantage a small…

Sure, I benefit that a washing machine costs $600 instead of $6000. That benefit is small in comparison with if my yearly income would be double. In almost all possible scenarios, higher wages are better than cheaper goods. You cannot improve your economic situation by purchasing cheap consumer goods, but you can do it with higher income.

Sure, but $600 washing machines for 300 million Americans is a hell of a lot more benefit than your one income.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

coliveira wrote: post #102
charliebwrites wrote: post #23

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> to maintain a pipeline of talents See, this is the part I don’t understand. If they don’t have real jobs available, what’s the point of building this “pipeline”? Are they genuinely going to plan to use this pipeline for future roles? Because simply posting a real job in the future will still get 1000s of applications which builds _real_ pipeline I don’t see recruiters going back through a bunch of old resumes to fi…

This "pipeline" thing is just an excuse. Companies are ALWAYS in the look for a special talent. This is not a real problem. If they find a very competent person they will offer the job. Otherwise, which is 99% of the time, they'll just say they're building a pipeline. It is the same mindset of a predator, they can justify being always looking for new pray, even though they know they'll only get it very rarely.

> It is the same mindset of a predator, they can justify being always looking for new pray, even though they know they'll only get it very rarely.

This doesn't sound right; meat spoils. If you've just killed something, it would be a lot of effort and danger to kill something else, all for almost zero benefit.

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Post by carlosjobim »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #522
carlosjobim wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I benefit that a washing machine costs $600 instead of $6000. That benefit is small in comparison with if my yearly income would be double. In almost all possible scenarios, higher wages are better than cheaper goods. You cannot improve your economic situation by purchasing cheap consumer goods, but you can do it with higher income.

Sure, but $600 washing machines for 300 million Americans is a hell of a lot more benefit than your one income.

And double yearly income for 150 million working Americans is a hell lot more benefit for them than the $600 washing machine.

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Post by John_Cena »

happiness_idx wrote: post #489
ndiddy wrote: post #36

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I'm glad our government has introduced the H1B program to help out employers like you who are dealing with a shortage of tech workers (who will work for 2/3 market and will do anything you say because if they get fired they'll be deported).

How do we have ghost jobs and simultanously not have enough tech workers that we need to import them? I am seeing lots of qualified commentors (according to them) say they won't even get a call back...

Corporations know the H1B scam and they only look to hire those who they can get under that indentured-servitude type contract.

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Post by John_Cena »

JAlexoid wrote: post #504
s1artibartfast wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Workers aren't monolithic. I'll be the first to admit that the disadvantages outweigh the benefits for specific workers. NAFTA sucked for autoworkers. H1B visas suck for IT and software workers. I think other types of workers benefit more than the portrait you paint, and not just the capital owners. Unless you are a utilitarian (I'm not), I agree there is a valid debate on how much policy should disadvantage a small…

> H1B visas suck for IT and software workers. H1b only sucks for short sighted people. Places like India would in any case have more software engineers available, than the US. Moving and hiring best of Indian engineers in the US kept teams operating in the US from being offshored wholesale. Software isn't a car, doesn't require physical transportation. An understaffed team in the US would be worth less than an offsho…

I am an individual not a corporation, our interest don't align in this manner.

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Post by John_Cena »

JAlexoid wrote: post #492
zjdixhxjzkz wrote: post #75

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It is. Best case scenario H1Bs allow companies to avoid training citizens. Worst case (and most common) H1Bs are more exploitable labor compared to citizens. H1Bs etc just suppress citizens wages and increase profits of capital holders. There’s a very very tiny % that actually aren’t replaceable domestically.

Fist - it is not companies' responsibility to train anyone. It is not their business. Second - H1b are exploitable, because the system allows it. H1b has demonstrably not suppressed software engineering wages at all. Non-competes, have - on the other hand.

> H1b has demonstrably not suppressed software engineering wages at all.

That's simply impossible; it's basic economics.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by John_Cena »

actionfromafar wrote: post #276
acedTrex wrote: post #225

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This is just plain fraud

He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.

My definition of fraud doesn't begin and end with what the current law says.
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