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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by jjmarr »

UltraSane wrote: post #450
jjmarr wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? How does that make Elon Musk a con artist? It's possible to physically get in a Tesla and have it drive you from point A to point B. That's a self-driving car. You're saying it's unreliable, makes mistakes, and can be used illegally. That doesn't mean the car can't drive itself, just that it doesn't do a very good job at "self-driving"

"How does that make Elon Musk a con artist?" Because since 2014 he has made wildly unrealistic claims that he is smart enough to know were BS. December 2015: “We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years.” January 2016 In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY June 201…

Do you have any citations? I would like to read them.

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Post by tiahura »

TheCleric wrote: post #374
bastawhiz wrote: post #257

Lots of people are asking how good the self driving has to be before we tolerate it. I got a one month free trial of FSD and turned it off after two weeks. Quite simply: it's dangerous. - It failed with a cryptic system error while driving - It started making a left turn far too early that would have scraped the left side of the car on a sign. I had to manually intervene. - In my opinion, the default setting accelera…

> Lots of people are asking how good the self driving has to be before we tolerate it. There’s a simple answer to this. As soon as it’s good enough for Tesla to accept liability for accidents. Until then if Tesla doesn’t trust it, why should I?

I think that’s implicit in the promise of the upcoming-any-year-now unattended full self driving.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by leoh »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #17
daghamm wrote: post #13

While at it, please also investigate why it is sometimes impossible to leave a damaged vehicle. This has resulted in people dying more than once: https://apnews.com/article/car-crash-tesla-france-fire-be8ec...

The why is pretty well understood, no investigation needed. I don't like the design but it's because the doors are electronic and people don't know where the manual release is. In a panic people go on muscle memory, which is push the useless button. They don't remember to pull the unmarked unobtrusive handle that they may not even know exists. If it was up to me, sure have your electronic release, but make the manual…

Crazy that with all of NHTSA's regulations, this is still legal.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by leoh »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #480
23B1 wrote: post #80

"Move fast and kill people" Look, I don't know who needs to hear this, but just stop supporting this asshole's companies. You don't need internet when you're camping, you don't need a robot to do your laundry, you don't need twitter, you can find more profitable and reliable places to invest.

Nobody needs to hear your nonsense rants. A 50k model 3 makes almost all offerings up to 80k (including electrics) from legacy automakers look like garbage.

I read their "nonsense rant" and I appreciated it.

>A 50k model 3 makes almost all offerings up to 80k (including electrics) from legacy automakers look like garbage.

This is a nonsense rant in my opinion.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by leoh »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #19
knob wrote: post #11

Didn't Uber have something similar happen? Ran over a woman in Phoenix?

Yes. And Uber immediately shut down the program in the entire state of Arizona, halted all road testing for months, and then soon later eliminated their self driving unit entirely.

Elon is taking the SBF approach of double or nothing -- he hopes Trump will win, in which case Elon can continue to do as much harm as he likes.

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Post by presentation »

viraptor wrote: post #511
TheCleric wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good. If you write software that people rely on with their lives, and it fails, you should be held liable for that criminally.

That's a dangerous line and I don't think it's correct. Software I write shouldn't be relied on in critical situations. If someone makes that decision then it's on them not on me. The line should be where a person tells others that they can rely on the software with their lives - as in the integrator for the end product. Even if I was working on the software for self driving, the same thing would apply - if I wrote s…

To be fair maybe the software you write shouldn’t be relied on in critical situations but in this case the only place this software could be used in are critical situations

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Post by jalapenos »

thunky wrote: post #502
jalapenos wrote: post #481

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What a laugh, would you take that deal? Upside: you get paid a 200k salary, if all your code works perfectly. Downside: if it doesn't, you go to prison. The users aren't compelled to use it. They can choose not to. They get to choose their own risks. The internet is a gold mine of creatively moronic opinions.

You can go to prison or die for being a bad driver, yet people choose to drive.

Arguing for the sake of it; you wouldn't take that risk reward.

Most code has bugs from time to time even when highly skilled developers are being careful. None of them would drive if the fault rate was similar and the outcome was death.

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