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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by falcor84 »

Toorkit wrote: post #497
falcor84 wrote: post #481

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This sounds to me like a straw man argument. Obviously 2+2 will always give you 4, in any modern LLM, and even just in the Chrome address bar. Can you offer a real situation where we should expect the LLM to return a deterministic answer and should rightly be concerned that we're getting a stochastic one?

Y'all are hyper focusing on this example. How about something more vague like FOO obviously being BAR, except sometimes it's BAZ now? The layman doesn't know the distinction, so they accept this as fact.

I'm not being facetious; I really can't think of a single good example where we need something to be deterministic and then have a reason to be disappointed about AI giving us a stochastic response.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by fennecfoxy »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #327
Palmik wrote: post #25

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The only entities that will win with these lawsuits are the likes of Disney, large legacy news media companies, Reddit, Stack Overflow (who are selling content generated by their users), etc. Who will also win: Google, OpenAI and other corporations that enter exclusive deals, that can more and more rely on synthetic data, that can build anti-recitation systems, etc. And of course the lawyers. The lawyers always win.…

Honestly the most depressing thing about this entire affair is seeing not the entire, certainly but a sizable chunk of the software development community jump behind OpenAI and company’s blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products of probably literally billions of people (not the least of whom is other software developers! ) with absolutely not the slightest hint of concern about what that means for t…

Do you consider it theft because of the scale? If I read something you wrote and use most of a phrase you coined or an idea for the basis of a plotline in a book I write, as many authors do, currently it's counted as being all my own work.

I feel like the argument is akin to some countries considering rubbish, the things you throw away, to still be owned by your person ie "dumpster diving" is theft.

If a company had scraped public posts on the Internet and used it to compile art by colourising chunks of the text, is it theft? If an individual does it, is it theft?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by dotnet00 »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #490
dotnet00 wrote: post #469

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LLMs are surprisingly capable editors/brainstorming tools. So, you're missing out in that you're being less efficient in editing. Like, you can write a bunch of text, then ask an LLM to improve it with minimal changes. Then, you read through its output and pick out the improvements you like.

Sure, but Grammarly and similar have existed far before the LLM boom.

That's a fair point, I only very recently found that LLMs could actually be useful for editing, and hadn't really thought much of using tools for that kind of thing previously.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by onemoresoop »

jcd748 wrote: post #507
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

Life is short and I like creating things. AI is not part of how I write, or code, or make pixel art, or compose. It's very important to me that whatever I make represents some sort of creative impulse or want, and is reflective of me as a person and my life and experiences to that point. If other people want to hit enter, watch as reams of text are generated, and then slap their name on it, I can't stop them. But dee…

> If other people want to hit enter, watch as reams of text are generated, and then slap their name on it,

The problem is this kind of content is flooding the internet. Before you know it becomes extremely hard to find non AI generated content...

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by DoctorOetker »

chrismorgan wrote: post #264
DoctorOetker wrote: post #180

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Here is a business model for copy right law firms: Use source-aware training, use the same datasets as used in LLM training + copyrighted content. Now the LLM can respond not just what it thinks is most likely but also what source document(s) provided specific content. Then you can consult commercially available LLM's and detect copy right infringements, and identify copyright holders. Extract perpetrators and victim…

> Use source-aware training My understanding (as one uninvolved in the industry) is that this is more or less a completely unsolved problem.

It's just training the source association together with the training set:

https://github.com/mukhal/intrinsic-source-citation

The only 2 reasons big LLM providers refuse to do it is

1) to prevent a long slew of content creators filing class action suit.

2) to keep regulators in the dark of how feasible and actionable it would be, once regulators are aware they can perform the source-aware training themselves

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by falcor84 »

rsynnott wrote: post #495
falcor84 wrote: post #487

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That's an interesting example. I would argue that 3D TV as a "solution" didn't work, but 3D as a "problem" is still going strong, and with new approaches coming out all the time (most recently Meta's announcement of the Orion AR glasses), we'll gradually see extensive adoption of 3D experiences, which I expect will eventually loop back to some version of 3D films. EDIT: To clarify my analogy, GenAI is definitely a "p…

> To clarify my analogy, GenAI is definitely a "problem" rather than a particular solution, and as such I expect it to have longevity. Hrm, I'm not sure that's true. "An 'AI' that can answer questions" is a problem, but IMO it's not at all clear that LLMs, with their inherent tendency to make shit up, are an appropriate solution to that problem. Like, there have been previous non-LLM chatbots (there was a small bubbl…

Let's not focus on "LLM" then, I agree that it's just a step towards future solutions.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by salemh »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #483
9dev wrote: post #401

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> There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. A highly white-collar perspective. The great irony of technologist-led industrial revolution is that we set out to automate the mundane, physical labor, but instead cannibalised the creative jobs first. It's a wonderful example of Conway's law, as the creators modelled the solution after themselves. However, even with a lot of programmers and lawyers…

It's a matter of time. White collar professionals have to worry about being cost-competitive with GPUs; blue collar laborers have to worry about being cost-competitive with servomotors. Those are both hard to keep up with in the long run.

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by warvair »

90% of everything is crap. Perhaps AI will make that 99% in the future. OTOH, maybe AI will slowly convert that 90% into 70% crap & 20% okay. As long as more stuff that I find good gets created, regardless of the percentage of crap I have to sift through, I'm down.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by hbn »

khafra wrote: post #339
neta1337 wrote: post #273

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>But superhuman AI seems now only few years away Seems unreasonable. You are afraid because marketing gurus like Altman made you believe that a frog that can make bigger leap than before will be able to fly.

> If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right - Arthur C. Clarke Geoffrey Hinton is a 76 year old Turing Award* winner. What more do you want? *Corrected by kranner

When he said this was he imagining an "elderly but distinguished scientist" who is riding an insanely inflated bubble of hype and a bajillion dollars of VC backing that incentivize him to make these claims?
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