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Sam Altman also allegedly had no interest in equity.
In the article it says he'll now receive equity
Indeed that's the point I'm making.
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#522OpenAI couldn't even align their Sam Altman and their people to their non-profit mission. Why should you ever believe they will align AGI to the well being of humanity?
What happened to all the people making fun of Helen Toner for attempting to fire Sama? She and Ilya were right.
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> P.S.: For example, imagine having applications for jobs and loans rejected because all the companies' internal LLM tooling is secretly racist against subtle grammar-traces in your writing or social-media profile. [0] We don't have to imagine such things, really, as that's extremely common with humans. I would argue that fixing such flaws in LLMs is a lot easier than fixing it in humans.
Fixing it with careful application of software-in-general is quite promising, but LLMs in particular are a terrible minefield of infinite whack-a-mole. (A mixed metaphor, but the imagery is strangely attractive.) I currently work in the HR-tech space, so suppose someone has a not-too-crazy proposal of using an LLM to reword cover-letters to reduce potential bias in hiring. The issue is that the LLM will impart its ow…
I don't think I disagree with you in principle, although I think these issues also apply to humans. I think even your particular example isn't a very far-fetched conclusion for a human to arrive at.
I just don't think your original comment was entirely fair. IMO, LLMs and related technology will be looked at similarly as the Internet - certainly it has been used for bad, but I think the good far outweighs the bad, and I think we have (and continue to) learn to deal with the issues with it, just as we will with LLMs and AI.
(FWIW, I'm not trying to ignore the ways this technology will be abused, or advocate for the crazy capitalistic tendency of shoving LLMs in everything. I just think the potential for good here is huge, and we should be just as aware of that as the issues)
(Also FWIW, I appreciate your entirely reasonable comment. There's far too many extreme opinions on this topic from all sides.)
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> The most surprising thing to me in this is that the non-profit will still exist. That entity will scrape the internet and train the models and claim that "it's just research" to be able to claim that all is fair-use. At this point it's not even funny anymore.
that was fun at some point?
If you consider dark humor fun, yes. It was always dark, now it became ugly and dark.
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> it's hugely beneficial to our species. Perhaps the biggest “needs citation” statement of our time.
Sometimes it seems like problem-solving itself is being problematized as if solving problems wasn't an obvious good.
Solving problems isn't an obvious good, or at least it shouldn't be. There are in fact bad problems.
For example, MKUltra tried to solve a problem: "How can I manipulate my fellow man?" That problem still exists today, and you bet AI is being employed to try to solve it.
History is littered with problems such as these.
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Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…
It's not baffling at all. It's unprecedented and it's hugely beneficial to our species. The anti-AI stance is what is baffling to me. The path trotten is what got us here and obviously nobody could have paid people upfront for the wild experimentation that was necessary. The only alternative is not having done it. Given the path it has put as in, people either are insanely cruel or just completely detached from reali…
I'm as awed as the next guy about the emerging ability to actually hold passable conversations with computers, but having serious concerns about the social contracts being violated in the name of research is anti-AI only in the same way that criticizing the leadership of a country is being anti-that-country.
OpenAI's case is especially egregious, with the entire starting as 'open' and reaping the benefits, then doing its best in every way to shut the door after itself by scaring people over AI apocalypses. If your argument is seriously that it is necessary to shamelessly steal and lie to do new things, I question your ethical standards, especially in the face of all the openly developed models out there.
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#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…
It's not baffling at all. It's unprecedented and it's hugely beneficial to our species. The anti-AI stance is what is baffling to me. The path trotten is what got us here and obviously nobody could have paid people upfront for the wild experimentation that was necessary. The only alternative is not having done it. Given the path it has put as in, people either are insanely cruel or just completely detached from reali…
Spoken like a true LLM.
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So what's your specific problem with that? Unless you open a bookstore selling the copies, it sounds fine.
Are you implying that these AI companies aren't equivalent to bookstores?
Yes, they are not bookstores. They manufacture artificial erudites who have read all these books.
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I’m not sure extreme wealth is possible with a non-profit. You can pay yourself half a million a year, get incredible kickbacks by the firms you hire to manage the nonprofits investments, have the non-profit hire outside companies that you have financial interests in, and probably some other stuff. But none of these things are going to get you a hundred million dollars out of a non profit. The exception seems to be O…
Yes definitely that is the far majority. I actually had Mozilla and their CEO in mind when I was thinking of "extreme" wealth. Also I've heard some of the huge charities in the US have some execs pulling down many millions per year, but I don't want to name any names because I'm not certain.
In the USA, the salaries of execs of non-profits are publicly listed in their form 990s they file with the IRS.
Name names. We can look it up.
Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company
#530What a surprise!!!! I would have never said so...