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How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

gleventhal wrote: post #360
nrp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s one of the most interesting parts of this document. Many people will read it and think “I would never work at a place like that,” and many others would think “that’s exactly the environment I want to work in!” More startups should be this transparent about their stated/desired culture (even if unintentionally).

It clearly biased for young people or those without a family with something to prove, the perfect type of employee to exploit and vampirize.

Some have a passion for their job. I know, it’s unimaginable.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by moomoo11 »

throw10920 wrote: post #72
smsm42 wrote: post #10

> “I Spent 50 Hours In Ketchup” > In general the more extreme the better. I may be sounding like "get off my lawn" guy right now but should there be some realization that these people are a cultural analogue of if not heroin than at least cigarettes? They are making a good living from making things objectively worse in a society by tickling the base instincts of the addicts. I am not calling for government interventi…

I don't know what subculture you're living in, but in several of mine there absolutely is pushback against this, with people avoiding consuming this kind of content and trying to prevent their children from consuming it, too. Now, the question why the larger US (or English-speaking) culture isn't uniformly doing the same is much more interesting, but there's no known reason for this and most of the common explanation…

Most people are dumb because they are lazy and gave up long time ago. Their parents the same way, so the kids never had a chance. Like I had a house mate in my 20s. His parents just gave him everything. He busted his car, parents got him a new one. He lost his job and he just played call of duty all day and drank or smoke weed.

One day he asked me about programming and this dude just couldn’t sit still without needing a distraction.

He consumed all these meme videos and used to bug me by sending me brain rot.

Unfortunately this is the majority of people. I used to be poor so I lived like this in a house where 4-5 people shared the space.

They just cannot think because they gave up and it’s impossible to do anything for them.

On one hand I’m glad gig economy exists so it can keep people like him busy. I believe people like him would be dangerous if not provided a distraction.

I don’t understand how people don’t have curiousity to learn more. Instead they will waste time since kids just throwing all potential to waste playing games like COD or watching YT all day. It’s not even sad anymore just pathetic.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

hypeatei wrote: post #6

So basically: Come up with contrived BS that caters to younger audiences, micromanage anyone who is holding you up, and attempt to game a blackbox algorithm on a site you don't pay for (YouTube) The whole modern social media / influencer sphere seems like a huge bubble that will pop eventually. Google has already started wiping inactive accounts[0] presumably because storage isn't truly infinite or cheap. I imagine Y…

Social media / influencer sphere a bubble that’s going to pop? I… highly doubt that.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by ben_w »

MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #214
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to see that document and I'm sure there's a lot to learn from it and a lot of knowledge to use for the good of humanity. The fact that a shady business used some tactics to advance its cause doesn't automatically condemns the means.

Most shady businesses can be boiled down to, “we exploit people for personal gain”. Which is always bad.

"Exploit" (mostly) only has a negative connotation in the context of people; if you exploit a resource or an opportunity, it seldom gets seen the same way.

Because of the latter, businesses leaders can also quite often talk about the former without even noticing that normal people regard "exploiting people" as a bad thing.

Sometimes it's hard to even agree what counts as exploitation of a person: The profit margin of every successful employer I've ever had is, in some sense, them exploiting me — but I've also worked in places where that's negative, loss-making, and the investors paid for my time with the profits made from others, which feels to me like the successes I've been involved with paying for the failures, not exploitation.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

j_timberlake wrote: post #354
smsm42 wrote: post #10

> “I Spent 50 Hours In Ketchup” > In general the more extreme the better. I may be sounding like "get off my lawn" guy right now but should there be some realization that these people are a cultural analogue of if not heroin than at least cigarettes? They are making a good living from making things objectively worse in a society by tickling the base instincts of the addicts. I am not calling for government interventi…

Most hobbies are just as dumb when you think about it. Sports = watching grown men play with balls, Games = giving yourself unnecessary problems to solve, TV/Reading = learning (usually) completely useless information

watching sports is entertaining as you're watching highly skilled individuals perform at the highest level + gives you a sense of belonging; games - entertainment and skill development, whether those are multiplayer games that teach you cooperation and competition, or single-player games that is fun and in a lot of cases learning (through lore), developing motor skills, strategic thinking and so on; tv/reading - learning (nothing is useless information, it helps create more connections in your brain);

yet, sitting in ketchup is brainrot content - 0 value

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

barrell wrote: post #515
nine_k wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine that our bitter enemies invented a superior logistics tool, known as the wheel. Should we even consider adopting it, given its clearly ethically unacceptable origins? If you think that this is an entirely artificial example, consider the fact that the same man designed the V-2 rockets which were hitting London during WWII, and the Saturn-5 rockets which brought astronauts to Moon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w…

Imagine that our bitter ememies invented a superior logistics tool, known as the wheel. They also invented airplanes and the concept of blitzkrieg. Should we attribute their success to the wheel, and study how it was designed, since they clearly had a mighty army? I think the idea being debated here is that it’s impossible to know whether the business practices would work without the lack of ethics. It might not be a…

If we're going this way, the next question - and a real one, this time - is whether we should study and use the medical data they acquired doing very unethical things to prisoners.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by barrell »

jrflowers wrote: post #57
smsm42 wrote: post #10

> “I Spent 50 Hours In Ketchup” > In general the more extreme the better. I may be sounding like "get off my lawn" guy right now but should there be some realization that these people are a cultural analogue of if not heroin than at least cigarettes? They are making a good living from making things objectively worse in a society by tickling the base instincts of the addicts. I am not calling for government interventi…

I like the idea that entertainment made for broad appeal is an existential threat to society worthy of comparison to drugs that kill hundreds of thousands of people per year. People have been appealing to the lowest common denominator for forever and yet the world soldiers on. Your larger question of “why haven’t they made things I don’t personally find appealing illegal yet?” is worthy of exploration, though I don’t…

How much societal progress has been killed from the amount of time spent watching Mr beast videos? How many potentially otherwise productive hours were wasted watching someone in ketchup? Obviously it’s not a 1:1 ratio, but it’s a valid question to ask.

Also he clearly states it shouldn’t be illegal. You should read posts more carefully before resorting to ad hominem attacks

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by huijzer »

nine_k wrote: post #503
latexr wrote: post #200

> Lot of people critiquing this, but you can't deny the success. You could say that about literally any shady business. Imagine seeing a PDF proving tobacco leaders knew for decades that it caused cancer and saying what you did. Being monetarily successful does not mean you’re good or shouldn’t be criticised.

Imagine that our bitter enemies invented a superior logistics tool, known as the wheel. Should we even consider adopting it, given its clearly ethically unacceptable origins? If you think that this is an entirely artificial example, consider the fact that the same man designed the V-2 rockets which were hitting London during WWII, and the Saturn-5 rockets which brought astronauts to Moon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w…

Why would a wheel be ethically unacceptable? The example you’re replying to talks about tobacco companies and cancer. A wheel doesn’t cause cancer.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by COAGULOPATH »

latexr wrote: post #200

> Lot of people critiquing this, but you can't deny the success. You could say that about literally any shady business. Imagine seeing a PDF proving tobacco leaders knew for decades that it caused cancer and saying what you did. Being monetarily successful does not mean you’re good or shouldn’t be criticised.

>Being monetarily successful does not mean you’re good or shouldn’t be criticised.

Is anyone saying that Mr Beast is good and shouldn't be criticised? I can't see them.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by briandear »

vintermann wrote: post #494
forrestthewoods wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s shady about producing entertaining videos that people want to watch? Are Marvel films shady for being popular? Is HN shady for adding features which increase engagement?

Heck yes, Marvel films, any big Hollywood films, are shady. HN is basically a vanity project so it's less shady. If HN was "optimized for engagement" the way a MrBeast video or Marvel film is, I bet I'm not the only one who would be out of here.

HN puts the most popular submissions on top. Allows commenting and reviews, greys out low voted content.

You don’t think this is optimized for for engagement? Don’t let the beige design fool you.

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