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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Agree, Zuck has zero integrity and I think he sees the tea leaves in where things are headed in November and is trying to say he was bullied into making alot of disastrous decisions that he and he only ordered for an administration/party that he personally donated $400M+ to.

>he sees the tea leaves in where things are headed in November Things are headed strongly in the opposite direction you're implying.

Definitely. The letter only mentions Biden who is a lame duck and now safe to criticize.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I'm going to need to see some evidence for this. How is it that I was reading science papers and media reports on them daily at the time, covering all these things you claim were censored? Droplet vs airborne was a frequent debate, as were the costs/benefit of lockdowns and especially the potential side effects of the vaccines. Information at the time moved lightening quick, things were barely even published before b…

> I'm going to need to see some evidence for this. It's a google search away friend. I'll source one thing for you though, pick whatever you think is craziest. > How is it that I was reading science papers and media reports on them daily at the time, covering all these things you claim were censored? How would I know? Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Google, YouTube, Twitter, Microsoft, Reddit, Apple, Pinterest, Spotify…

Science works on consensus and iteration. Government policy generally (and I think should) follow that process, not form policies on minority opinions at the time. For instance, although the droplet vs airborne debate was incorrect initially, the error was found and corrected via consensus, and government policy follow that consensus. That's how it SHOULD work.

Most of your writing is a bias filled rant, complete with misinformation (no, the consensus for science was that the lab leak was extremely unlikely, and still remains so today as far as I've seen, again, a few individual researchers thinking it likely does not make consensus).

You seem heavily invested in going against consensus and best practice, and I'm genuinely not interested in that position as I disagree with it. While things could have been better, given the circumstances the scientific community and world governments generally did a good job at protecting people.

On the topic of what should be allowed on social media, there is room for debate there, but I stand by that freedom of speech does not require you have equal standing or that people listen to you. I don't believe fringe science or non-science deserves equal time in the spotlight. So I suspect we won't be coming to any agreement.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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A few years back it started showing me obvious political ragebait. I ignored it and then it started showing me pictures of women whose nipples were obviously showing through their clothing, which was an improvement, but still not the reason I signed up for Facebook. I've always understood it as the algorithm is looking for engagement and will try some lowest common denominator tactics to engage in it. As someone who…

>A few years back it started showing me obvious political ragebait. I ignored it and then it started showing me pictures of women whose nipples were obviously showing through their clothing, which was an improvement, but still not the reason I signed up for Facebook. Same experience. Then, after ignoring that, I've started getting posts from mystery people who seem like they could be aquaintences (because hobbies) bu…

How about a choice for which social circle you'd like to view at one time. We could call it "Circles".

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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>HN is awesome because of the rules and moderation (including bans); It was awesome. Then it jumped the shark when people realized they could flag posts they don't like with no repercussions.

There was some post about Israel the other day (might have been Google's relationship to Israel or something) where every comment about the war starting last year was highly visible, while every comment about what happened prior to last year was dead.

Those contentious threads never last long here for that reason. Reddit is 90% those sorts of heavily moderated comment threads where everyone agrees with each other and those who don't align get removed or downvoted. People can always just go there.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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They're not concerned about the wealthy, but the state of the economy. Bad things happen when the prices of things change dramatically. E.g., if you happen to own an asset that a billionaire now needs to fire sale, you'll lose out as well.

That will only be temporary won’t it, hold your shares or buy more at a discount.

It’s not that simple. If hundreds of billions of dollars need to be liquidated across every asset class in every industry, the entire economy is going to tank. Not just “oh no the stock market’s down.” Asset prices would drop severely (housing being the most “regular-person” applicable), many business will fail meaning many people will lose their jobs, and mortgages will be foreclosed upon due to suddenly being incredibly underwater without jobs. Picture 2008, but worse.

“Hold your shares or buy more at a discount” is incredibly out of touch with the average person who will be affected by an economic depression.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Can’t find the claim about the statement not being political anywhere in the linked article. But there’s this: > Meta’s CEO aired his grievances in a letter Monday to the House Judiciary Committee in response to its investigation into content moderation on online platforms Sounds like he wasn’t the initiator of the discussion, but I may be misreading the paragraph.

And it’s in the news because it’s being made newsworthy, not because it’s new. “A U.S. federal judge,” in 2023 “restricted some agencies and officials of the administration of President Joe Biden from meeting and communicating with social media companies to moderate their content” [1]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-blocks-us-officials-comm...

More to the point: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/06/scotus-tosses-cl...

"On Wednesday, the Supreme Court tossed out claims that the Biden administration coerced social media platforms into censoring users by removing COVID-19 and election-related content."

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I wonder if this is coming up just before the election because of the Harris campaign’s suggested policy of capital gains tax on unrealised gains for people who have over $100m in assets? I think this is a great idea personally given what these people are doing to avoid paying tax including taking out loans against their own share portfolios. Worth thinking about what people are willing to do to not pay billions of d…

There can't be a single news story on the internet where people don't think it's part of some meta strategy or conspiracy.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I feel an exchange tax that included loans would probably be a much better approach. Taxing seated/parked assets, especially on the very wealthy seems like a recipe for disaster. So you have to sell, or leverage the property to pay taxes. What would trying to sell billions in stock at once, or leverage hundreds of thousands of rental properties look like to the larger economy, and what would the effect be? Also, who…

> What would trying to sell billions in stock at once Let them pay their taxes with stocks. Problem solved.

Ignoring the many other reasons why that would be problematic, what happens when the US government suddenly owns notable (or even controlling) stakes in companies?

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> In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson He also said that he doesn't visit Russia anymore, yet a recent FSB leak indicates that he was frequenting there. And before that he heavily marketed Telegram as ad-free forever. And before that there were quite weird populist PR tactics when professional cryptographers pointed out Telegram's crypto is a mess. YMMV, but I wouldn't trust a single word from this guy.

Has that FSB leak analysis been vetted by anyone besides that Russian newspaper that published it? If it's true then he was reckless in his traveling not just to France.

Good point. No, I haven't seen any independent confirmations yet.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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They were already doing censorship, just for different things - there was never a free for all because that eventually ends up like 4chan which is not advertiser-friendly. So you can lose credibility two ways, one by not doing any censorship because people on the internet will be the worst if you let them. Doing too much censorship is also bad because people don't like that either. Of the big causes of censorship cur…

Theres no push back because only the uploader knows it even happened. The millions of other people who did not get to see that video never knew there was anything that was taken from them. Even after you start to hear about an example here & there, it still feels like an isolated and insignificant example. You as a viewer don't have any way to perceive the scale, the mass of what is being blocked and diverted and mod…

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