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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Where did it start out of curiosity?

With its creation, by which I mean Lisbon Treaty. Before that EU was basically just a free trade zone, after Lisbon the eurocrats took over, trying to turn EU into socialist's version of heaven on Earth.

Jesus, there's a balanced and nuanced take!

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. He’s not accused of terrorism, drug, or slaving directly. Very interesting to see where it will all go. I don’t understand how they’re going to convince French judges that he’s guilty for not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…

If he's taking a privacy stance then it's bloody stupid since he's protecting an insecure app. In contrast Signal would've cooperated and provided essentially nothing useful.

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Well much like the owner of omegle found out you can't provide platforms for criminal activities and make no effort to curb it. It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff. You don't find that on Twitter. Twitter is atleast mildly moderated. Telegram could have moderation built in to catch illegal activities but it chooses to do nothing. See the difference?

> It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff. For fun, I tried that and was unsuccessful, at least in the allotted time. Google turned up many third-party references to illegal activity on Telegram, but that's not the same thing.

You have to use the Search built into Telegram and you can find illegal stuffs within seconds.

Search for any of these phrases and it will return tons of channels to join:

- Combo lists - Check fraud - Redline Stealer - Bank logs

There are tens of thousands of channels on Telegram w illegal content and material.

I really do hope they dont shut it down bc it's an extremely valuable asset in terms of intelligence and monitoring criminals haha

Source: I work in CTI and actively monitor and scan thousands of Telegram channels.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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I have always assumed that Telegram was a Russian op. Any doubts I had were resolved by this event. [0] > Deputy Russian State Duma Speaker Vladislav Davankov said he had sent an appeal to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to seek Durov's release. > "His arrest may be politically motivated and a tool to gain access to the personal information of Telegram users. This must not be allowed," the state-run RIA Novosti news a…

Wikipedia says that the same member of Duma was suggesting an idea to abolish homework at schools because his son asked for this when he learned that his father was elected. I would not treat him seriously.

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

I find it highly amusing that people on here actually think secure messaging platforms are "locally backdoored". Despite what the article says, Telegram is not even a nominally end-to-end encrypted platform. You need to jump through hoops to get end-to-end encryption on the platform.

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Interesting note: Durov was flying to France from Azerbaijan where he was staying at the same time when Putin visited the country. There are rumours that Durov wanted to meet with Putin but he allegedly refused [1]. Those rumours are based on a publication of a Russian Telegram channel allegedly related to law enforcement agencies and have no other confirmation.

[1] https://turan.az/en/politics/putin-refused-to-meet-with-pave...

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North Korean meth is sold in bulk on Telegram channels in South Korea. Drug abuse is out of control and crypto currency is used by NK to sell drugs to SK and use funds for its regime.

How do they get it across the well-guarded border by the way?

Since it's NK responsible for manufacturing the meth, I'm sure they have established easy methods to get it into SK, China, and shipping out of ports in NK and into other countries.

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the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

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I would love for LinkedIn to be banned. I just play along there because it's the only option if you want to get a job.

But the people repeating sickening corporate PR and marketing crap there making me nauseous. It's 100x more fake than Facebook. I really hate it.

If it'd be banned I could do without it because nobody would have it.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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So just give me an apple messaging client on my non-apple devices. It is insanely, practically criminally, anti-social to lock your messaging system into your devices alone. It's like the Joker is running the business decisions over there. Who cares, let's just watch the world burn.

Asking cause I don’t know - can you provide iOS level iMessage encryption safely on Android when you don’t control the hardware?

When your threat model is "someone on the network intercepting messages", it doesn't matter if you control the hardware. When your threat model is "someone owns my device", it still doesn't matter if you control the hardware, because, in that scenario, Apple is the bad actor you're trying to protect against.

There's no scenario where a third party has compromised your phone without Apple's collaboration, which is the only scenario where the secure enclave would maybe protect you (and even then, the bad actor would just read your messages off the screen or memory directly).

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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> I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law How is a channel "against the law?" Do you mean access to the channel is creating opportunities for lawlessness that simply wouldn't exist otherwise? I'm not sure the French justice system has demonstrated that it has exhausted all options other than to handcuff a CEO of one particular plat…

drug trade, crypto scam coordination. All on Telegram.

All on a telephone, too.
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