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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by brailsafe »

f6v wrote: post #512
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But.. none of that does or should require a smart phone really. Even for the cellular modem bit I mentioned, I could find another way to do it; people had devices for this before these black mirrors came around. But a cellular modem built into my laptop would reduce the amount of crap I have instead of add to it, and I'd still use the smart phone for other reasons at other times, just not if I'm going to a cafe to wo…

> But.. none of that does or should require a smart phone really Well yes, it doesn’t. I used to ask people for directions without a world map, not understand the street signs in a foreign county, come how to a spouse telling me go buy milk since we’re out of it. Most of technological advances in the last 30 years are conveniences. You could argue ad absurdum since you don’t need most of technology to survive. Like,…

But it's not ad absurdum, it's a degree of visceral discomfort for tolerating either the most shallow of discomforts, or the least shallow such as experiencing the vulnerability of navigating a culture without knowing exactly where you are at all times.

A laptop is just a marginally different tech choice according to whether I like a bit of variety in my office setting. I don't have a printer or scanner at home, I walk down to the library, but if I no use for laptop over a desktop I'd pick that, which I do for my gaming pc. If I couldn't pick a laptop, that one could argue I've adapted to having, I'd just adapt to not, it's not a big deal.

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Post by conductr »

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how didnt porn run this over? honestly porn did advances the internet because it, and gaming, was THE usecase for most people. youtube etc wasnt there at the time it was porn and games. And porn and games should be the reason why VR shall sell

when porn advanced the internet did it cost 2000 dollars to get entry to the porn? I don't remember that. I think when this advancing happened it was pretty cheap, in some ways cheaper than buying a bunch of magazines. Porn advanced the internet because it was a cheaper delivery mechanism for a cheap commodity, games expanded the internet because it was a technologically innovative platform for high end products.

Yeah and porn advances were specifically because the market leaders of the old school industry (publishers/distributors) could have their market stolen. So there was a large carrot out there, and it warranted market disruption. Just like dozens of other industries as the Internet and computing became widely available. The old guard of playboy and hustler and such did not invest heavily in the advances. It was small operators looking for an advantage in scale. Producers looking to cut out distributors, etc. I don’t think vr specifically offers that level of treasures and it’s not like any Joe can start a vr porn shop now. The internet originally offered the ability of a single person to sell millions of copies of their films. It (vr) probably actually consolidates it further again as larger investment in production equipment and editing is needed. But, it’s a tiny market so nobody really cares to be a first adopter. A lot of people are skeptical of Vr ever being widely available any time soon. That skepticism was optimism in early days of PC usage. Everyone knew computers were the future and we’d all be using them daily, in the home, etc. It was worth investing in for the porn industry.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

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What you have to keep in mind is that this is already a done deal and was for decades. Rather than ai goggles people had 3 5 and 8 and Croncite was the source of truth. Before that it was the preacher. Before that the shaman. People are hardwired to outsource fact checking to the most compelling and charismatic choice to them. Probably for pragmatic reasons considering if you actually sat down and thought critically…

Do you have advice on how to survive in the modern world? Society is pretty complex. I need an AR map just to know where its safe to sleep without trespassing.

Focus on the plate in front of you. Your home. The people you know in real life. Your job. Knowledge of an airstrike half a world away doesn’t mean anything actionable to you, so don’t fixate on that sort of information.

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Post by sroussey »

brailsafe wrote: post #46
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> they're products we don't -need-. If you already have a smartphone, that's good enough. I disagree. If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

> If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. The idea of wearing LinkedIn on my face makes my stomach churn, but while that's my personal reaction, is there a real world context you've found yourself in regularly enough that you've found yourself wanting such a product, or is it more like a c…

Depends on what you do. But when I’m at events rather constantly (not big conferences) and people remember me, but I don’t remember them, it comes off as insulting.

VCs are a good example—founders will remember who they are for obvious reasons. But the ratio is way off—many more founders meet the same VC.

There are other industries where this happens as well.

Also, some people have problems recognizing faces in general.

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Post by toyg »

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> lower hanging fruit for reducing carbon emissions Taking a bike (when possible) instead of a car, for example. I think many things that we can do fail because of our collective convenience: why take public transport when I can have my private space in a car? There might be low hanging fruits, but there is human convenience to take into account. Making potential low hanging fruit become had to implement. > I can’t i…

> experiencing a Venice during the Renaissance period using a VR device That's not a holiday. That's a game.

Literally: it's an ever-so-slightly more immersive Assassin Creed 2. I mean, great, but worth spending a grand? Probably not.

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Post by toyg »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #35
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> they're products we don't -need-. If you already have a smartphone, that's good enough. I disagree. If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

> If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking I could only hope that the EU would ban it ASAP if such a product existed making it unviable anywhere else. Except maybe China and such, should be pretty useful for the CCP enforcement agencies.

LinkedIn users volunteer their information to connected people. There is nothing wrong with that.

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Post by toyg »

brailsafe wrote: post #46
sroussey wrote: post #17

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> they're products we don't -need-. If you already have a smartphone, that's good enough. I disagree. If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

> If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. The idea of wearing LinkedIn on my face makes my stomach churn, but while that's my personal reaction, is there a real world context you've found yourself in regularly enough that you've found yourself wanting such a product, or is it more like a c…

Happens to me all the time. The company I work for has 1300 employees, and what I do means going cross-team pretty often, talking to people that I might have met once or twice a year ago. I speak to customer teams that pack consultants I might have worked with 10 years ago.

Generally speaking, I'm bad at remembering names. I'd buy a discreet "remind me who this is" device in a heartbeat.

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Post by toyg »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #125
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> it doesn't matter what they can do No it very much matters what they can do, and it's "not much". If they could do a lot more any of these products would be very popular.

They're at the 1980s toy computer level of usefulness - fun to play with, a few useful applications, but hopelessly clumsy and underpowered in terms of real user needs. No one was sure what real user needs would be in the 80s. It turned out the all-time killer USP was a global data network, which could be accessed through keyboard+screen terminals and pocket devices, and which replaced a lot of slow paper and phone c…

Er, the killer apps were word-processing and spreadsheets, dude.

The Internet is nice, but the PC Revolution happened long before it.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

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I don't think this makes much sense. Meta sells ads. Apple and Google don't walled garden ads on apps do they? Meta doesn't use the Google and Apple ad APIs. They have their own ad marketplace, etc. I really do think it's as simple as them seeing a future where people use a different form factor from a phone to do what they do much of what they do with their phones. I think that will be something closer to Google Gla…

Apple’s Ad Tracking Transparency was a major reason Meta stock went through the massive dip a few years ago, until it ended up not being that detrimental and AI hype took over. I’m sure Meta would love to track their users way more than Apple allows.

Yes but that's not "walled garden" that's just a feature they allowed users to turn on.

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Post by toyg »

echoangle wrote: post #310
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its incredible how different the West is to Japan the lack of judeo-christian moral nannyism hardly means a dangerous society but a peaceful one just look at all the accusations on X and calling Japan weird and worse

Are you saying Japan has a more relaxed stance on porn? Don’t they have government mandated censorship of nude images? I would call that more strict, not less.

Genital-censorship laws in Japan are a fig leaf, barely ever upheld, afaik.

They are absolutely more relaxed with the type and amount of content getting published, and have been for a very long time. The likes of Miguel Angel Martin in Japan would be considered average, whereas in the west they shock the mainstream.

The anglosphere is still somewhat conditioned by the idea that comics are for kids; at the other end of the spectrum, the francosphere expects every comic to be an auteur-level masterpiece. East-Asians just see it as a product to sell: as long as they are correctly labelled, so that strong material ks not missold to kids, everything is fine.

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