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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by dessimus » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:13 PM UTC

jzb wrote: post #399

gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

Simplest may not be best here. Is Harris the person who is most likely to get people to the polls and vote Dem? Is she someone who can convert independent/undecided voters? etc. IMO those are not easy "yes, absolutely" answers. Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris? Maybe? Gretchen Whitmer might be a strong candidate, off the top of my head. But I'm struggling to thi…

It's a disgrace that the party that was able to turn Obama from an unknown junior Senior speaking at the 2004 DNC to winning the Presidency 4 years later, now has done zero to promote more candidates over the last 4 years when Biden ran on being a single term President.

Basically, the DNC's options are the people who failed to get through the primaries in 2020 against Biden and maybe Whitmer or Newsom.

I just do not see Harris getting the middle/undecided, and it's 2016 all over again, if not worse, because SCOTUS has the deck stacked if it's even close.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by rsynnott » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

kccoder wrote: post #89

lr1970 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Biden started those wars? American troops are on the ground in those conflicts?

Naughty old Biden used his time machine to force poor innocent Putin to invade Crimea in 2014, clearly.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by johnnyanmac » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

readthenotes1 wrote: post #29

strangelove026 wrote: post #8

Dannnnnng. I think it's definitely for the best (probably never should've come to this, reminds me of RBG). And that said I really, really liked his presidency, but, he is undeniably really old.

The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

if decrepitude had anything to do with voter confidence, we would have booted both candidates out after that charade that we called the "presidential debate"

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by bryanlarsen » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

readthenotes1 wrote: post #29

strangelove026 wrote: post #8

Dannnnnng. I think it's definitely for the best (probably never should've come to this, reminds me of RBG). And that said I really, really liked his presidency, but, he is undeniably really old.

The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

Biden has a speech impediment, Judging him by his speech doesn't give an accurate picture of his mental fitness.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by senkora » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

inyourtenement wrote: post #491

pessimizer wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was no real 2024 democratic primary This was also a subversion of the will of primary voters. It's not a defense. A huge portion of Democratic voters wanted the candidate replaced, and there were Democratic politicians that announced their intention to be the candidate that replaced him, and others undoubtedly who would have if there hadn't been so much pressure not to, yet a serious primary wasn't run. Democ…

How did Democratic insiders prevent other candidates from running in the primaries?

Dean Phillips was a candidate who tried running against Biden in the primaries. I'll link to him talking about his experience in congress and how he felt that the Democratic Party retaliated against him for running: https://youtu.be/1hh8lcoJ1NA?feature=shared&t=1308

And here's him on twitter reacting to the news of Biden standing down: https://x.com/deanbphillips/status/1815145481674358843

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by dredmorbius » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:15 PM UTC

mikemitchelldev wrote: post #470

Is Gavin Newsome more likely as the Dem candidate now that the wealthiest members of the tech community got their preferred Republican VP candidate?

Given Biden's endorsement of Harris, a fellow Californian, Newsom will probably not be on the ticket, due to Constitutional limitations. That's not dispositive, but has generally been interpreted as requiring the two executive candidates to be from different states. The actual language concerns how electors must vote, in Article II, Section I, Clause III:

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/sec...>

In strict compliance, this would require California's electors to split their votes on candidates from other states, though other states wouldn't face this limitation.

History.com addressed this earlier this year: "Can the President and Vice President Be From the Same State?" https://www.history.com/news/can-the-president-and-vice-pres...>

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by nailer » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:16 PM UTC

kristjansson wrote: post #510

nailer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules allow the DNC to have an open convention. They just haven’t had one for more than half a century. the interesting thing is apparently if they do that its available to all candidates. So it’s possible that somebody that is well liked by the public, but not by the DNC becomes the leader ie Bernie sanders. The tough thing though is that money donated to Biden doesn’t transfer to other candidates. The daily wir…

Ben Shapiro is ... perhaps not an unbiased source on this topic.

is there something specific about this extensive breakdown of the laws around a candidate stepping down that you find incorrect? Is there any news source you have found that isn’t biased in someway?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by neverartful » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:16 PM UTC

macintux wrote: post #474

dheera wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The staunch Republicans will still vote for Trump and the only way to beat that is for there to be an incredibly cohesive force among a population that isn't very cohesive in the first place. The Republicans actually have it easy, they align and bond on lots of things. The center and left align on very few things and fight amongst themselves. A mixed ticket isn't going to align them better.

I’m curious: what do the Republicans align on, besides “Win at all cost” and “Liberals are bad”? Trump doesn’t care about the budget, doesn’t care about protecting our allies, doesn’t care about abortion. I’d wager he doesn’t care about immigration, either, except as a way to get votes.

I would argue that 'win at all cost' is played by both parties. It's a form of 'the ends justify the means' and I really wish that people of both parties understood the long-term implications of that approach.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by labrador » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:17 PM UTC

newsclues wrote: post #512

Given the recent claims that the President was healthy and fit for office despite evidence to the contrary and now this admission, how can anyone trust the party?

I don't think you understand how public relations work. You say everything is fine until it isn't

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by rsynnott » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:17 PM UTC

avar wrote: post #446

outside1234 wrote: post #303

President Kamala Harris has a great ring. Will be great to have someone that isn’t old, a sex offender, or a felon (or all three).

> someone that isn’t old If she wins she'll be 60 years old and 3 months old the day she assumes office. That'll make her the 13th oldest president (out of a total of 47)[1]. That's "old" by any objective definition. The only thing that makes her seem young is that the two candidates who've been in the race so far are #1 and #2 on that list. She'll certainly be a young president compared to the two oldest presidents…

60 is a perfectly reasonable age to take a demanding job, though. Most people would not consider that _80_ was.