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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Post by hn_throwaway_69 »

rand846633 wrote: post #514
hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>innocent until proven guilty and all that To be fair, he was refusing to face trial. And he is expected to plead guilty, so he isn't innocent. That said, there may be legitimate questions about whether the United States should be entitled to exercise jurisdiction over foreign nationals who are not physically present in the jurisdiction for national security offences.

Did the US army or its participating individuals ever get charged for killing the “collateral murder” Reuters journalists? Or for doing the same to the proximate other civilians? Or for covering it all up? The question who is guilty by a US court does not determine the guilt of an individual in any relevant or moral way under these extreme circumstances. It just indicates if you are part of the system or if you rathe…

The first paragraph is whatabouttery, the second may be accepted, but the claim I replied to was he was legally innocent until proven guilty. That is what I was addressing, not some broader notion of morality.

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Post by impossiblefork »

cletus wrote: post #153

So I have a couple of thoughts on this. For context, I'm a big fan of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. Julian Assange is... more interesting. Imagine you're a journalist and someone hands you a shoebox full of SD cards with classified materials including video evidence of war crimes. Most of us would agree it is the ethical thing to do to publish that and you're definitely a journalist. Now imagine you had a conta…

I'm the precise other way around.

Snowden and Manning had a duty to the US. They were US citizens, they even worked for the military or spying apparatus.

For them to release information, no matter how justified, is obviously a crime, but Assange isn't American, not US permanent resident, and he has no duty to be loyal to the US.

This is why I feel that the prosecution is so insane. Assange getting extradited to the US is like Russia getting somebody extradited to Russia. Now of course, you can't expect better from the UK, which participated in the same war he is most famous for publishing stuff from, and him going to the UK was incredibly stupid.

But acquiring material actively is something you should obviously do. If you're a citizen of a third country and have a chance to obtain material of public interest, of course you should, and it shouldn't concern you whether the country whose material you obtain regards that as a crime.

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Post by mandmandam »

cies wrote: post #481
bjornsing wrote: post #476

Paraphrasing Winston Churchill: “You can always trust the Americans to do the right thing, after having exhausted all other options.”

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Joke or not, assassinating him was very seriously discussed at the highest levels.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-lo...

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Post by alt227 »

mcmcmc wrote: post #422
mc32 wrote: post #320

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I hope he does something on X where he delivers dead drops given to him by whistleblowers on an episodal basis, and he grows big enough that he become _the_ place to go when you want to blow the whistle, whether it be rushed pharmaceuticals, govt morally dubious black ops, bad NGOs, front orgs, etc.

As soon as a whistleblower from one of Musk’s companies shows up you can guarantee he would get permabanned

Speech is free unless you are telling people where Elons jet is.

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Post by Qwertious »

iamtedd wrote: post #392
damsalor wrote: post #365

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Aus can hardly antagonize us/uk

Don't help our own citizens in trouble, in case we offend a foreign country?

Our core military strategy is to suck up to naval superpowers in hopes they'll include us in their own defense strategy. It's sound policy, but it means that ultimately we can't afford to piss them off.

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Post by guappa »

pelorat wrote: post #510
ErikBjare wrote: post #407

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Legitimate? The case was a disgrace to the Swedish justice system, as many legal experts have commented.

> as many legal experts have commented. No doubt non-Swedish legal experts with no clue about Swedish laws or the Swedish justice system, meaning their opinions which are based on how the legal system in their own country works, are completely null and void.

How convenient for you to not speak swedish and be able to magically ignore anything that has been written in swedish then! Lucky!

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Post by baud147258 »

vintermann wrote: post #373
tetris11 wrote: post #327

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> At least the current Labour leader strikes me as a decent man with some actual principles and backbone and this would fundamentally be a decent thing to do. (massive sidetrack, but I can't let this sentence go unpunished) The current labour leader is the lamest duck in a group of wet blankets. His policies revolve around not being as corrupt as the Tories whilst doing virtually nothing else to better his constituen…

He is also personally responsible for the persecution of Assange. He was head of Crown Prosecution Services in the UK at the time we know (from Stefania Maurizi's FOIA requests) they actually threatened Sweden when Sweden wanted to drop the case. Wet blanked doesn't begin to cover it. I honestly think he's an entryist trying to tank the Labour party on the behalf of some British spy-lord. He's failing, but that's mor…

> an entryist trying to tank the Labour party on the behalf of some British spy-lord

I'm far from following current UK politics, but I've heard the same thing about Liz Truss...

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Post by rjzzleep »

tetris11 wrote: post #327
jillesvangurp wrote: post #310

Good, this was getting majorly embarrassing for all countries still involved with this legal mess. The man dying in prison stuck in legal limbo without any conviction whatsoever (innocent until proven guilty and all that) would have been a PR disaster for the UK. And of course there's also the issue that the UK is very likely to get a new government that would have likely been leaning to just letting the man go in an…

> At least the current Labour leader strikes me as a decent man with some actual principles and backbone and this would fundamentally be a decent thing to do. (massive sidetrack, but I can't let this sentence go unpunished) The current labour leader is the lamest duck in a group of wet blankets. His policies revolve around not being as corrupt as the Tories whilst doing virtually nothing else to better his constituen…

I would genuinely love to know which media your parent watches and reads to come to such a conclusion. It is remarkable. I've never heard such a statement about Stamer, but it's clear that I don't read the same sources.
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