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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by vintagedave »

lghh wrote: post #481
klabb3 wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tons of new features and the redesign After LastPass lost it I shopped around and avoided 1Password precisely because it looks and is marketed like typical feature-oriented apps powered by VC valuations and growth metrics. I do not like trigger happy product management near critical single-purpose software. It’s already quite challenging, because pw managers need (1) offline support (2) a sync protocol that’s virtu…

I don't understand this sentiment. I'm not attacking, I'm trying to understand. So if there's opportunity for a feature that adds real value for many people to an application without it affecting the core of the product, it shouldn't be added? I can add passwords and unlock websites just as quickly with 1Password as I could 8 years ago. Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?

Because they keep on changing the product at the same time. If they added value and left what worked still working, it'd be great. But they change things, and it's buggy, and the UX is worse, and I just want the nice productive utility I had a few years ago.

You say you can do things as fast as you could eight years ago -- but I can _not._

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644525

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by antgiant »

drio0 wrote: post #281
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Is there a way to export all your passwords on a Windows PC, or from iPhone? I do not have a mac

No

The backup situation is terrible - Mac only - Only Passwords (no passkeys) - Only items you created (so nothing shared with you, even if you own the shared “group”)

In short your only option is one at a time manual export

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by samcat116 »

Turfie wrote: post #473

My brother convinced me to try a 1Password family account, since it would be cheaper. Ever since, the Chrome plugin takes forever to login. Sometimes up to 5-6 seconds. And it really annoys me that they have so many resources and money, and it's still this expensive for a very very basic application, and slow to boot. I tried out passwords, and combined with Safari, it's an absolute godsend compared to 1Password. Tha…

I have never had such issues with the Chrome plugin.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by chuckadams »

adam_arthur wrote: post #265

People should just use a sufficiently complex, memorized, password for their money/identity, and then a (mental) algorithm that allows deriving unique passwords for other services that are less important. Only have to memorize 2-3 strings and more secure than a password manager since there's no third party in the loop. Password Managers are a huge man-in-the-middle and liability in other regards (e.g. you don't have…

Normal people don’t usually run password generation algorithms in their heads. When they do, the algorithm sucks. This is why we have password managers in the first place.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by volleygman180 »

stouset wrote: post #248
dylan604 wrote: post #177

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This entire assumption that I'm a freeloader is absolute bullshit. I've bought and paid for my copies of 1Password and have even purchased it for others. You can take that freeloader name calling and shove it right back in the place you found it. I'm quite frankly tired of it. We can have upgrades and working software that gets updates without monthly fees to do it. I also do not need their cloud and only features. T…

> We can have upgrades and working software that gets updates without monthly fees to do it. No, the last twenty years has show us that we can't. If you want developers to perform ongoing work on their products, you need to accept a model where there's ongoing pay for that work.

> you need to accept a model where there's ongoing pay for that work

Before they switched to subscriptions, it still worked like that: 1Password 4, 1Password 5, 1Password 6 - I paid money each time a new version came out. Sometimes I paid the same day of the release and upgraded immediately. Other times, I may have waited a little bit longer and continued with the version that I had.

Nobody's asking for a free lunch.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by MissTake »

tim333 wrote: post #449
MissTake wrote: post #438

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When using the terms “open” and “closed” with operating systems, one is traditionally talking open the source code. As such both Windows and MacOS are closed source. As for “opening up the OS” both are pretty gosh darned flexible and extensible wrt other features. However being based upon a BSD core, MacOS has had access to the Unix command line natively since forever. For Windows one used to have to rely on CgyWin b…

You said "equally as closed Windows machines." In terms of the machine Windows is way more open in that you can use what hardware you want. But yeah the software is closed source.

TBH, the parent also stated “but closing down the OS…”

So waters were indeed muddied.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by myaccountonhn »

kstrauser wrote: post #26
myaccountonhn wrote: post #16

I always feel like these password solutions are there to lock you into their platform. I would never use Apples nor Mozillas password solutions personally.

I used 1Password for years. Last year I decided to try out Apple's built-in manager (for which this new app is a pretty frontend for a feature that already existed). I was able to export all my passwords out of 1P and import them into 1P. Then my company gave us all free personal 1P accounts, and I decided to migrate back. I exported all my data out of Apple's password manager and imported it 1Password, then ran a sc…

That's excellent! I'll keep that in mind.

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Post by genericuser256 »

HenryBemis wrote: post #474
Turfie wrote: post #473

My brother convinced me to try a 1Password family account, since it would be cheaper. Ever since, the Chrome plugin takes forever to login. Sometimes up to 5-6 seconds. And it really annoys me that they have so many resources and money, and it's still this expensive for a very very basic application, and slow to boot. I tried out passwords, and combined with Safari, it's an absolute godsend compared to 1Password. Tha…

Just to rub it in your face :) (teasingly and with respect) I got Android/LastPass/Firefox and only pay for the LastPass annually (I got it on all my devices), so there you have it ;)

Just so you're aware, LastPass has had some pretty bad security issues, eg. on the latest https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/12/lastp...

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Post by genericuser256 »

HenryBemis wrote: post #474
Turfie wrote: post #473

My brother convinced me to try a 1Password family account, since it would be cheaper. Ever since, the Chrome plugin takes forever to login. Sometimes up to 5-6 seconds. And it really annoys me that they have so many resources and money, and it's still this expensive for a very very basic application, and slow to boot. I tried out passwords, and combined with Safari, it's an absolute godsend compared to 1Password. Tha…

Just to rub it in your face :) (teasingly and with respect) I got Android/LastPass/Firefox and only pay for the LastPass annually (I got it on all my devices), so there you have it ;)

Just so you're aware, LastPass has had some pretty bad security issues, eg. on the latest https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/12/lastp...

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by chuckadams »

zer0zzz wrote: post #373
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #329

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I feel like I explained it above. People often want things because they don't have all the information and people who are uninformed, especially when they're intentionally uninformed, make poor decisions. And maybe there are some people who, faced with the risk of losing all their stuff, conclude that maybe all their stuff isn't that important to them and they don't have time for this YOLO! But there are even more pe…

This is the bell curve meme. People just want the things that work for them, people that know what they are doing want things that work easily and know their way around a little better too. You're overblowing the harmfulness, I'm not even sure what the argument is. Prove to me you deserve to be called a "nerd."

GP’s smug superior attitude over non-technical people and general lack of perspective is enough nerd cred for me.
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