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OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by IncreasePosts »

zug_zug wrote: post #481

When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

They voice artist put out a statement through her lawyer. She also stated her voice has never been compared to Scarlett in real life by anyone who knows her.

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by kylebenzle »

lumost wrote: post #513

Unless they can point to a voice actor that they did copy. It will be very difficult for them to prove that it wasn't trained to replicate Scarlett Johansen. Was the model trained on movies? were annotators instructed to compare to the movie "Her" - lots of ways to see this become problematic. The fact that Sam Altman was requesting a licensing deal days before launch would suggest that they had a known problem that…

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Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by jonathanstrange »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #379
jonathanstrange wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what you suggested, though. You said that young talented directors will make movies with an AI-generated Tom Cruise anyway and insinuated that this is what we should allow. That's the opposite of "...being clear that it's not me." By the way, the law already allows all this when it's clear that no particular person is imitated. We're talking about the cases when it's not clear. Or do you suggest to have di…

I don't really understand what's confusing.. If a director makes a movie with AI Tom Cruise it's not ambiguous if the real Tom Cruise participated or not. The goal is not to fool everyone to think he was in it (b/c that would be trivially denied by the real man). There is a list of credits at the end if you're somehow confused. So if the movie is about drowning Scientologists, you'll know it's not supported by the re…

There was no confusion on my part, you're confirming that you're propagating what I thought you were. I indeed think that's insane and plain immoral. It seems we have very different views on personality rights. I suppose we have to agree to disagree on that one.

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by madaxe_again »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #448
kleiba wrote: post #196

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But is that the point? Here is a relevant precedence, for instance, that may or may not change your mind: Tom Waits is a singer known for his raspy singing voice. Back in the late 1980s, Frito-Lay, Inc., the makes of Doritos, thought it was a great idea to run an ad in which the music had the atmosphere and feel of a Tom Waits song. Except the professional singer they hired for that got the job done a bit too well: t…

>Given the fact that Johansson was initially contacted by OpenAI to provide her voice and declined This order is wrong according to the article, the VA was contracted before ever reaching out to SJ.g Additionally here is a relevant anecdote, for instance, that may or may not change your mind? >In a statement from the Sky actress provided by her agent, she wrote that at times the backlash “feels personal being that it…

Clearly we need mandatory laryngeal surgery for anyone who sounds like anyone else. Also if you look like someone else, well, plastic surgery or an hood for you.

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

jorvi wrote: post #182
serial_dev wrote: post #34

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I don't know, to me, it's just sounds like they know how to cover all their bases. To me, it sounds like they had the idea to make their AI sound like "her". For the initial version, they had a voice actor that sounds like the movie, as a proof of concept. They still liked it, so it was time to contact the real star. In the end, it's not just the voice, it would have been the brand, just imagine the buzz they would h…

> In the end, someone probably felt like it's a bit too dodgy as it resemblance was uncanny What if it wasn’t a computer voice model but rather a real-life voice actress that you could pay a few cents to try to imitate Scarlett Johansson’s voice as best as she could? That’s effectively what’s happening here, and it isn’t illegal. It guess it also leads to the bigger question: do celebrities own their particular frequ…

Right of publicity. Profiting of their image without their permission will get you sued. Even if you use an impersonator. If there is a chance the public will connect it with them, you are probably screwed.

e.g.

Vanna White vs Samsung - https://w.wiki/AAUR

Crispin Glover Back to the Future 2 lawsuit - https://w.wiki/AAUT#Back_to_the_Future_Part_II_lawsuit

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by stavros »

m_ke wrote: post #517
stavros wrote: post #509

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Funny, I'm the opposite. I saw clips from the film after the controversy (it's been ten years since I saw the film itself) and Sky sounds nothing like Johansson to me. No amount of unverifiable "records".

1. The sky voice currently available in the app is a different model from the one they presented (one is pure TTS, the new one in GPT-4o is a proper multi modal model that can do speech in and out end to end) 2. Look at these images and tell me they didn't intend to replicate "Her": https://x.com/michalwols/status/1792709377528647995

Which one are we saying sounds like Johansson? I'm talking about the TTS voice in the app, is everyone else talking about the multimodal voice from the 4o demos?

Also, whether they *intended* to replicate Her and whether they *did* in the end are very different.

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Post by eggy »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #521
zug_zug wrote: post #481

When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

They voice artist put out a statement through her lawyer. She also stated her voice has never been compared to Scarlett in real life by anyone who knows her.

I'd like to hear her raw voice compared to the polished product. Listen to famous singers' acoustic vs. heavily audio-engineered final cuts. Big difference. I think if you played this OpenAI "Sky" voice to a sample population and said it was a famous person's voice, SA would come up frequently.

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Post by glenstein »

jrm4 wrote: post #485
bengale wrote: post #430

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A more charitable scenario might be that they hire the voice actor and it sounds a bit like her. Someone suggests why don't we just get Scarlett to do it properly, wouldn't that be cooler? They reach out and she says no. They decide to continue with the one that sounds a bit like her.

Genuine question; Why in the world would one expect the more charitable scenario?

It's just a best practice that serves as a healthy counterbalance to cognitive biases, that might otherwise urge us to convict without evidence.

It's not necessarily what will prove true at the end of the day but I think we owe people the presumption of innocence.

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Post by nekoashide »

tibbon wrote: post #508

Is someone's voice their IP? Is it more-valuable property because they are famous? What type of IP? Trademark? Without their name and image in combination, is a voice/likeness actually defensible? Training a computer to have any actual-human sounding voice is likely to almost match someone's voice. I haven't taken an IP class since 2004, but I'm not sure if there's a real case here is there?

I think it's key here that if someone else trained the voice and sounded like Scarlett Johansson, and there a payment to that person, and that person exist, it feels like to me they won't have a strong case.

Now if it was trained on the voices from various IP? Or "Computer generated", I think we have an argument that it was trained on her voice.

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Post by kylebenzle »

serial_dev wrote: post #34
skilled wrote: post #18

The thing that worried me initially was that: - the original report by Scarlett said she was approached months ago, and then two days prior to launch of GPT-4o she was approached again Because of the above, my immediate assumption was that OpenAI definitely did her dirty. But this report from WaPo debunks at least some of it, because the records they have seen show that the voice actor was contacted months in advance…

I don't know, to me, it's just sounds like they know how to cover all their bases. To me, it sounds like they had the idea to make their AI sound like "her". For the initial version, they had a voice actor that sounds like the movie, as a proof of concept. They still liked it, so it was time to contact the real star. In the end, it's not just the voice, it would have been the brand, just imagine the buzz they would h…

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