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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Plot twist: Ilya joins xAI next.

This is plausible, Elon is a fantastic recruiter and he recruited Ilya for OpenAI. There are reports of xAI buying enormous numbers of GPUs and Elon's level of control of his companies means that Ilya recklessness isn't an issue. It's a match. Probably the best match possible.

Seems like Elon recklessness is an issue since he's a drug addict who's only started an AI company because he thought the other ones weren't racist enough.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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My experience differs greatly, company I used to work for did NDA, alpha, beta projects with Google. I was always impressed at how little anyone knew, the fact that nothing was delivered on time, scope creep to the point of almost everything being delayed and most projects were not well thought out nor well architected. I warned one API update would break things if it went live, and it did. Why was the guy from anoth…

But ask a dynamic programming question and watch it get smashed out None of the points you raise relate to being really good at dynamic programming

Haha if only dynamic programming was what least to greatness in software engineering.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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How important are top science guys though? OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money, and llm are better understood, I would guess continous development will beat singular genius heroes?

> OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money You could say the same about Google - and yet they missed the consequences of their own discovery and got behind instead of being leaders. So you need specific talent to pull this off even if in theory you can hire anybody.

I am just curious how it happened to Google? Like who were the product managers or others who didn't see an opportunity here exactly where the whole thing was invented and they had huge amounts of data already, whole web basically and the amount of video that no one else can ever hope to have?

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Daniel “Quit OpenAI due to losing confidence that it would behave responsibly around the time of AGI” “I think AGI will probably be here by 2029, and could indeed arrive this year” Kokotajlo too. We are so fucked

I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

> maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even some kind of consciousness, but not just probability... when I explain something, I have understood it.

The term, and indeed each initial, means different things to different people.

To me, even InstructGPT manages to be a "general" AI, so it counts as AGI — much to the confusion and upset of many like you who think the term requires consciousness, and others who want it to be superhuman in quality.

I would also absolutely agree LLMs are not at all human-like. I don't know if they do or don't need the various missing parts in order to be in order to change the world into a jobless (u/dis)topia.

I also don't have any reason to be for or against any claim about consciousness, given that word also has a broad range of definitions to choose between.

I expect at least one more breakthrough architecture on the scale of Transformers before we get all the missing bits from human cognition, even without "consciousness".

What do you mean by "truly understanding"?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

Resignations lead to more resignations....unless mgmt. can get on top of it and remedy it quickly, which rarely happens. I've seen it happen way too many times working 25 years in tech.

This might not be bad from the perspective of the remaining employees, it might be that the annoying people are leaving the room.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Why would anyone start the game on hard mode when easy mode is a border drive away? Us is so outrageously better than the rest that people fly across oceans to start businesses there. Canada, being next door, doesn't have the distance moat to at least slow down the brain drain

With regards to talent, there's no particular reason why software centers couldn't be in any major established city in the world. It's not like it takes billions of dollars on a highly uncertain bet like creating a car company, rocket reuse company, or a CPU company. A small crew of people could potentially build the next WhatsApp. On Erlang.

There are definitely many good programmers all over the world, but there are more in the US, because that's where all the best companies are. So if you're trying to make a good company and you want good programmers, where do you go?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Karpathy is still a mountain in the area of ML/AI, one of the few people worth following closely on Twitter/X.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Why would anyone start the game on hard mode when easy mode is a border drive away? Us is so outrageously better than the rest that people fly across oceans to start businesses there. Canada, being next door, doesn't have the distance moat to at least slow down the brain drain

With regards to talent, there's no particular reason why software centers couldn't be in any major established city in the world. It's not like it takes billions of dollars on a highly uncertain bet like creating a car company, rocket reuse company, or a CPU company. A small crew of people could potentially build the next WhatsApp. On Erlang.

In the case of AI it absolutely does take billions and billions of dollars on an uncertain bet. They bet that throwing more data, more hardware, more GPU cycles at the problem would yield results and it has.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I wonder if he thinks LLMs are an AGI dead end and he's not interested in selling a product. There's some academic papers floating around coming to the same conclusion (no links. sorry, studying for a cert exam).

That's been my assumption since the beginning of this drama last year. He seems to have one goal: real AGI. He knows that while LLMs may make something that seems like AGI there's nothing actually intelligent about it and its never going to get them there. OpenAI wants to pivot and sell sell sell because all they see is potential trillions of dollars, and it's time to make money instead of burning more millions/billi…

This is counter to every interview ilya has ever given since gpt3--he believes scaling llms can get there that's why they scaled to gpt4 scales at all.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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> OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money You could say the same about Google - and yet they missed the consequences of their own discovery and got behind instead of being leaders. So you need specific talent to pull this off even if in theory you can hire anybody.

I am just curious how it happened to Google? Like who were the product managers or others who didn't see an opportunity here exactly where the whole thing was invented and they had huge amounts of data already, whole web basically and the amount of video that no one else can ever hope to have?

Data volume isn't that important, that's becoming clearer now. What OpenAI did was paid for a bunch of good labelled data. I'm convinced that's basically the differentiator. It's not a academic or fundamental thing to do which is why google didn't do it, it's a pure practical product thing.
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