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Post by Shocka1 »

imachine1980_ wrote: post #347
ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

Stock videos are indeed crucial, especially now that we can easily search for precisely what we need. Take, for instance, the scene at the end of 'Look Up' featuring a native American dance in Peru. The dancer's movements were captured from a stock video, and the comet falling was seamlessly edited in. now imagine having near infinite stock videos tailored to the situation.

Unlimited possibilities. And more is coming - we're only in the beginning stages of this tech. Truly exciting stuff.

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Post by Shocka1 »

thehappypm wrote: post #483
ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

If you or I don’t see the potential here, I think that just means someone more creative is going to do amazing things with it

HN has always been notoriously negative, and wrong a lot of the time. One of my personal favorites is Brian Armstrong's post about an exciting new company he was starting around cryptocurrency and needing a co-founder... Always a good one to go back and read when I've been staying up late working on side projects and need a mental boost.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3754664

Re: Veo

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Post by Shocka1 »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #60
inasio wrote: post #34

From a 2014 Wired article [0]: "The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today" I can see more real-world impact from this (and/or Sora) than most other AI tools [0] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/

This is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.

The first time I watched The Rise of Skywalker it was just too much being thrown at my brain. The second and third watch was much easier to process of course. I'm a big fan of older movies and have noticed the shot length difference anecdotally - Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur are two of my favorites. So I suppose it all makes sense to me now that there is actually a comparison measurement that has been completed.

Re: Veo

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Post by Etherlord87 »

mikeocool wrote: post #469
salamo wrote: post #353

The first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any image generator that doesn't have deformed pieces, the correct number of squares, squares properly in a checkerboard pattern, pieces placed in the correct position, board oriented properly (white on the right!) and not an otherwise illegal position. It seems to be…

Ha, wow, I’d never seen this one before. The failures are pretty great. Even repeatedly trying to correct ChatGPT/Dall-e with the proper number of squares and pieces, it somehow makes it worse. This is what dall-e came up with after trying to correct many previous iterations: https://imgur.com/Ss4TwNC

As someone who criticizes AI a lot: this actually looks pretty cool! AI is not better at surrealism than a good artist, but at least its work is enjoyable as a surreal art. Justifies the name Dall-e pretty well too.

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Post by Etherlord87 »

dongping wrote: post #506
sdenton4 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This strikes me as equally "AI complete" as drawing hands, which is now essentially a solved problem... No one test is sufficient, because you can add enough training data to address it.

Not sure about better models, but DALL-E3 still seems to be having problems with hands: https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1afhemf/is_it_possi... https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1cdks71/a_hand_with...

As opposed to legs, eyes, construction elements? ;)

Re: Veo

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Post by sib »

hbn wrote: post #263
sib wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the App Store there's a new build of the iOS app as of 3 hours about (call it about 11am US Pacific time). It includes the GPT-4o model (at least it shows it for me.)

Are you a paid user?

Yes

Re: Veo

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Post by thehappypm »

Shocka1 wrote: post #522
thehappypm wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you or I don’t see the potential here, I think that just means someone more creative is going to do amazing things with it

HN has always been notoriously negative, and wrong a lot of the time. One of my personal favorites is Brian Armstrong's post about an exciting new company he was starting around cryptocurrency and needing a co-founder... Always a good one to go back and read when I've been staying up late working on side projects and need a mental boost. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3754664

Wow, that is a really negative thread. To be fair it’s not the best post either, but it shows that people jump to negativity really fast.

Re: Veo

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Post by ArchitectAnon »

gnobbler wrote: post #481
ArchitectAnon wrote: post #456

I think the thing that most perturbs me about AI is that it takes jobs that involve manipulating colours, light, shade and space directly and turns them into essay writing exercises. As a dyslexic I fucking hate writing essays. 40% of architects are dyslexic. I wouldn't be surprised if that was similar or higher in other creative industries such as filmmaking and illustration. Coincidentally 40% of the prison populat…

You're entitled to your opinion but this will open up a world of possibilities to people who couldn't work in these fields previously due to their own non-dyslexia disability. Handless intelligent people shouldn't lose out because incumbents don't want to share their lane.

Yes but you are trading off a lot of people with a one kind of disadvantage, dyslexia, for the benefit of very very few people with a motor skills disability that affects their ability to draw or manipulate an input device which is a different disadvantage. What's the acceptable ratio? One handless person enabled for every 100,000 dyslexics sidelined? Is that fair? How do you work out an acceptable tradeoff?

It is not a given that everyone can or should be enabled to do everything possible at any cost; people in wheelchairs can't be firefighters and we don't make all old subway lines fully accessible because it is incredibly expensive.

Disadvantaging a huge number of people for the benefit of very few has a societal cost.

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Post by ArchitectAnon »

seanw265 wrote: post #487
ArchitectAnon wrote: post #456

I think the thing that most perturbs me about AI is that it takes jobs that involve manipulating colours, light, shade and space directly and turns them into essay writing exercises. As a dyslexic I fucking hate writing essays. 40% of architects are dyslexic. I wouldn't be surprised if that was similar or higher in other creative industries such as filmmaking and illustration. Coincidentally 40% of the prison populat…

Your claim that 40% of architects piqued my curiosity. I wonder if this would have an impact on the success of tools like ChatGPT in the architecture industry. Do you have a source for this stat? I can't seem to find anything to support it.

Not sure I could fine a reference for that any more. I think I got it from an article or lecture by Richard Rogers years ago. He was a famously dyslexic architect and if I remember correctly was the patron of the British Dyslexia Association.

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Post by ArchitectAnon »

chromanoid wrote: post #465
ArchitectAnon wrote: post #456

I think the thing that most perturbs me about AI is that it takes jobs that involve manipulating colours, light, shade and space directly and turns them into essay writing exercises. As a dyslexic I fucking hate writing essays. 40% of architects are dyslexic. I wouldn't be surprised if that was similar or higher in other creative industries such as filmmaking and illustration. Coincidentally 40% of the prison populat…

I guess in the near future prompts can be replaced by a live editing conversation with the AI, like talking to a phantom draughtsman or a camera operator / movie team. The AI will adjust while you talk to it and can also ask questions. ChatGPT already allows this workflow to some extent. You should try it out. I just talked to ChatGPT on my phone to test it. I think I will not go back to text for these purposes. It's…

I would need to be able to talk and draw at the same time, which is how I interact with co-workers and clients.
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