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What? That Germany started WW2 by attacking Poland in cahoots with the USSR? How is that wrong?
Edit: The European theatre, in Asia the war started earlier when Japan invaded China. The most commonly understood start of WW2 was thebinvasion of Poland and the resulting declarations of war.
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We actually have very clear examples from history of how to turn an enemy into a friend: the Marshall plan and the similar levels of aid that the USA poured into post-nazi Germany, post-fascist Italy, post-imperial Japan. That turned War-torn bitter enemies into some of the staunchest US allies today. Given Israel's position of power, they can and should be doing this. However, Israeli politicians just don't want thi…
>We actually have very clear examples from history of how to turn an enemy into a friend: the Marshall plan Japan, Germany, and Italy's people didn't practice a religion that required them to hate Americans. For Germany and Italy in particular, they followed (basically) the same religion as most Americans. Japan never really had much religion. And none of these WWII powers were theocratic states in any way, or govern…
> Japan, Germany, and Italy's people didn't practice a religion that required them to hate Americans.
I'm not sure if you're equating Islam with hatred of the USA, or if you mean because so many Israelis believe Palestinians are "amalek", no better than bugs?
> Allies completely flattened major cities and killed millions of civilians, intentionally
And out of these horrors came international agreement on what actions are allowed during wartime, with the aim of ensuring such atrocities weren't repeated. Israel does not respect international law, and should be sanctioned.
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> Essentially that implies Israel will get shot at and not be allowed to shoot back. I suspect most Israelis would find that unreasonable. Israeli civilians don't like being killed anymore than Palestinian civilians do. We are talking about Gaza. The only Israelis being shot there are Israeli militari attacking the Gaza strip. If you are talking missiles, well Israel should abandon the colonies and create a no man's…
> We are talking about Gaza. The only Israelis being shot there are Israeli militari attacking the Gaza strip. What exactly do you think happened on oct 7? > If you are talking missiles, well Israel should abandon the colonies and create a no man's land where no civilian, be it Israeli or Palestinian, can go, and only shoot those that trespass. They did do that to Gaza in 2005. That is how we arrived at the current s…
> They did do that to Gaza in 2005. That is how we arrived at the current situation.
No, they didn't "do that to Gaza" - Israel has kept Gaza under a brutal blockade, by air, land and sea. Israel kept the place like an open air prison, and had it surrounded by military outposts and remotely operated guns. Hundreds of civilians were shot in 2023 prior to Oct 7th, including peaceful protesters.
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> Israel will get shot at and not be allowed to shoot back. The logic doesn't really follow What shots exactly? the missiles? Attack the launch sites. They're pretty clear as they expose themselves. Israel has 24/7 surveillance it shouldn't be a challenge. Can you support your claim by showing evidence that a hospital was used to launch missiles? You likely don't have evidence that Israel is targeting anything. It se…
> What shots exactly? the missiles? Attack the launch sites. What if those launch sites are top of hospitals or media buildings?
And when has there been a shred of credible evidence to suggest such a thing?
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What? That Germany started WW2 by attacking Poland in cahoots with the USSR? How is that wrong? Edit: The European theatre, in Asia the war started earlier when Japan invaded China. The most commonly understood start of WW2 was thebinvasion of Poland and the resulting declarations of war.
Germany started the war. USSR ended the war.
The narrative that USSR started the war, surrounding the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" often misinterprets it as a partnership between the Nazis and Soviets to undermine the sovereignty of Central and Eastern European nations. Typically misrepresented as an "alliance," this controversial "nonaggression" pact, which included undisclosed provisions, was actually the culmination of a complex and urgent sequence of events. It's noteworthy that similar agreements had previously been established with Nazi Germany, such as Britain's naval arms agreement in 1934, and a nonaggression pact with Poland that same year. Additionally, it was almost exclusively the Soviet Union that took a stand against fascist forces in the Spanish Civil War two years later, offering support to the democratically elected government facing a fascist uprising, without the backing of other international powers.
Finally the infamous Munich agreement of 1938, where Britain and France agreed to the dismemberment of the last democratic and multinational state in Central and East Europe, Czechoslovakia, occurred without any consultation with the Soviets.
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Why did they take hostages? Because it was a terror attack? And no, of course there is no threat if suoerior military starts levelling the city around you, why would that be dangerous in anyway... By the way, the IDF already killed three hostages waving white flags. Nice rescue operation, I have to admit. At least now those hostages are safe from both, Hamas and the IDF.
Wow clutching hard at straws to justify hamas and deny their usage of hospitals as military bases.
There is no proof Hamas ever did that so. No investigation foind any, and there have been multiple.
Not sure what to think of people that are ok with bombing hospitals for any reason at all, even the made up ones the parrot around.
And no, I do not justify Hamas. I do fully understand why they are so radical so, but this is quite different from justifying them.
You on the other hand are trying to justify the targeting of civilians and non-combatants in war. And that targeting, that is a war crime.
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These are the horrifying realities of war. People may die. Borders may move. Atrocities may happen. Does the defender turn into the aggressor and vice versa, when the „Winning“ side changes? Should war just „end“ at this point?
Does the aggressor change? Yes, absolutely, it can and does. Shouod a war "just" end? Also, a resounding YES , a war should end as soon as possible. Unless, of course, one side just wants and needs the war to go on and on...
> Should a war "just" end? Also, a resounding YES
Unfortunately, you lose the privilege to call for an end of war when you've (at some point in time) been in the position of the aggressor. War, in itself, is not a number game. You can't just expect the defender of the current conflict to return the favor by doing exactly as much damage as the aggressor did. War is a means to an end and by initiating aggressions, you have to face the very real possibility that the intentions of your opponent may not match your own.
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#529I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…
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What? That Germany started WW2 by attacking Poland in cahoots with the USSR? How is that wrong? Edit: The European theatre, in Asia the war started earlier when Japan invaded China. The most commonly understood start of WW2 was thebinvasion of Poland and the resulting declarations of war.
Germany started the war. USSR ended the war. The narrative that USSR started the war, surrounding the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" often misinterprets it as a partnership between the Nazis and Soviets to undermine the sovereignty of Central and Eastern European nations. Typically misrepresented as an "alliance," this controversial "nonaggression" pact, which included undisclosed provisions, was actually the culmination…
Appeasement was a failure. And enabled Hitler a lot. It also gave him legitimacy.
And no, the USSR did not start the war, that "honour" goes to Germany. The USSR did grap its portion of Poland so.
Regarding Munich, even worse, Czechoslovakia wasn't really consulted neither.
Edit: The war in Europe was ended by all allies, including the USSR. And that the USSR did most of the fighting, and dying outside the holocaust, should be crystal clear to everyone who ever read a short history of WW2 on wikipedia.