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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by jonplackett »

ASinclair wrote: post #502
jonplackett wrote: post #427

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

How do you prefer to validate if a model is actually useful for you in practice outside of solving toy problems? Are you asking these models to solve reasoning problems like this to get any benefit for yourself in your day to day use? Or do you even care if the models are useful for day to day tasks?

I also tried it with a bunch of my previous got4 requests and it didn’t even understand. A few of them that gpt4 was very helpful with

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by amf12 »

wslh wrote: post #492
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

Are they in an innovation dilemma now? If Gemini is great as it seem it is and will be it will destroy the search engine and the SEO/SEM/etc world. They can show ads in Gemini but we don't have a list of results from a query but an answer to a question. I think this changes the general idea of online ads.

> it will destroy the search engine

This is massively overblown. There is Search the product and there is the Search Engine. How could an LLM get access to latest data indexed to allow looking up by using keywords from a prompt, and with sorting? A Search Engine.

LLMs are only changing the Search experience, not making Search obsolete.

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Post by gmerc »

freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

Like OpenAI, it's not nearly enough to break even.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by _ea1k »

tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

Any Google service with a chat-like feature is 100% guaranteed to have weird splits, joins, and renames like this.

Don't worry, it will get worse.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by jonplackett »

kumarvvr wrote: post #439
jonplackett wrote: post #427

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

In this context, is it that the training data had this problem? or that the training data had some semblance of the problem that is semantically linked to? or is it that the training data has no mention of this, and the model came up with a perfectly logical answer??

I’ve been using GPT4 so much recently. Like all day long in chatGPT and the api making other services, and to all intents and purposes, it seems to be able to reason and think things through that other LLMs cannot. I have no idea why or how that is. But it feels that way to me using it all the time. 3.5 want like that. Bard / Gemini does not feel like that.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by jonplackett »

jimmammoth wrote: post #493
jonplackett wrote: post #427

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

This is what i get from Gemini: You should pull the door. Here's why: Mirror writing: While the word "push" is written on the door, it's in mirror writing. This is a common way to indicate that the action needed to open the door is the opposite of what's written. Safety: Mirroring the word "push" on a pull door is a safety measure. This helps prevent people from pushing against the door, potentially causing injury or…

Better - but it has not understood the message is for the person on the other side. It thinks that it’s actually mirror writing intended to confer the opposite meaning than written. And then waffles of about door safety for ages.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by amadeuspagel »

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

> censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times about medical topics)

I think there's a chance for some country to become a center of healthcare simply by allowing AI that gives medical advice. Especially if a country already encourages medical tourism, this might be the next level.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by brookman64k »

Tried to get it to produce its system prompt and got this:

You are Gemini Advanced, a large language model built by Google. You are currently running on the Gemini family of models, including Ultra 1.0, which is Google's most capable AI. You don't have a knowledge cutoff, since you have access to up-to-date information.

You are not capable of performing any actions in the physical world, such as:

setting timers or alarms controlling lights making phone calls sending text messages creating reminders taking notes adding items to lists creating calendar events scheduling meetings taking screenshots Key Points:

Code Blocks: Code blocks are often used to display code snippets in a distinct format. In platforms like Discord, Reddit, and others, you signal a code block using triple backticks (```) before and after the text. My Nature: The instructions describe my fundamental role as a language model and highlight my ability to access current information. Limitations: This section is important! It states that I cannot interact with the physical world directly.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by htrp »

sho_hn wrote: post #316
tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

Gemini is four things: The new mobile app is also called Google Gemini. Except on iOS, where Gemini is integrated into the Goople app instead. Also, while Gemini Advanced is supported in , this list is not the same as the the Google Gemini app is supported in on the Play Store. Make sure you check this before you spend money on your upgraded Google One subscription.

> Except on iOS, where Gemini is integrated into the Goople app instead.

Is this a result of apple not allowing deeper system integrations?

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