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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Someone wrote: post #191
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

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> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions ( ht…

They tried to force it with regulation, but everyone just cheated on emission tests instead.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by mensetmanusman »

fsloth wrote: post #217
Someone wrote: post #191

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> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions ( ht…

Without Tesla German incumbents would have lobbied EU just to mandate biofuels and there would be fever EV:s. Tesla did drag an industry kicking and screaming to EVs.

They would have made new ICE vehicles that have zero emissions! (during testing only)

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Post by janoc »

kortilla wrote: post #331
janoc wrote: post #234

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You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

That exemption was available for any electric car. You’re just supporting the conclusion that Tesla was definitely the leader of electrics.

Of course it was leader in a market of one. The alternatives were Nissan Leaf and probably the first gen Renault Zoe. Nobody would buy those.

The original argument was not that they were "leader" but that somehow people were buying Teslas for their quality or being better than everything else.

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Post by aembleton »

rvba wrote: post #440
prmoustache wrote: post #71

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Aren't everybody using android auto (or its Apple equivalent) these days anyway? The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.

Will android auto even work wireless? Any bigger bump and it stops working, so I jut put my phone in a plastic handle that is attached to the window with a suction cup..

Wireless android auto works for me with an aftermarket head unit

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Post by _Algernon_ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #459
_Algernon_ wrote: post #450

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As with most things it's probably a combination of factors, one of which is Facebook essentially monopolising internet access in the country while stoking the fire.

YouTube would also be popular, in most of SEA the internet means mostly Facebook and YouTube, to the chagrin of Chinese internet services who can’t even compete outside of China in their own backyard (well, TikTok is hugely popular there, as it is here, Myanmar is also blaming TikTok and YouTube for ethnic violence, so it just isn’t Facebook). But I’m not sure how Facebooks‘s popularity equals a monopoly, they aren't…

Because they offered free service only to Facebook in developing countries (including Myanmar) using their FreeBASIC program[1], thereby establishing a defacto monopoly and building a anti-competetive moat against any competitors.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet.org

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Post by gniv »

zdragnar wrote: post #435
Der_Einzige wrote: post #315

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We don't like "getting used to" going back in history. Where the f*ck is a HUD in a tesla? That's exactly the kind of car which should be getting cool space-age tech like that. Elon already went on twitter and said no HUD ever and disparaged people asking for it. Why did another comment saying basically the same thing get mass downvoted and killed? HUDs are some of the coolest features in cars and tesla refusing to i…

I've seen a HUD in a non-Tesla car and it was a gimmick at best. At worst, it obscures part of your vision. It also causes more eye strain to use, because there's movement in the background compared to a dashboard.

You might reconsider that opinion when you get old. When you cannot see well at short distances, it's difficult to see the writing on the monitor, so the HUD navigation really helps.

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Post by valval »

seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

How to spot a person who doesn’t own a Tesla from a mile away.

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Post by dagmx »

audunw wrote: post #49
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

Their software is strong compared to other car manufacturers. Which is a fairly low bar to cross.

Their software is buggy and has a lot of friction points compared to mobile phones which is a high bar to cross.

The catch is that a lot of the other car manufacturers supports CarPlay and Android Auto which allow you to have a better experience.

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Post by brtkdotse »

peterfirefly wrote: post #341
FredPret wrote: post #328

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You’re right that they have a juicy valuation. But it’s about number of dollars made, not cars. And on that metric Tesla is on par with GM and ahead of Ford. I don’t know about Toyota. https://valustox.com/F https://valustox.com/GM https://valustox.com/TSLA

They sold about 1/8 the cars Toyota did in 2022 but they also made about 8x the profit per car. And Toyota has a huge debt load whereas Tesla had money in the bank + was growing + FSD will Soon™ be here (and if/when it does, Tesla's profits will explode) + there's the energy business + there will probably be something like AWS for AI in a year or three.

You forgot the dancing robot.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cyberax »

fnord77 wrote: post #206
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45

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This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

which model Toyota?

4Runner
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