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We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by serial_dev »

eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

> It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

In my experience, product people who know what they are doing have a huge impact on the success of a company, product, or service. They also point engineering efforts in the right direction, which in turn also motivate engineers.

I saw good product people leaving completely destroy a team, never seen that happen with a good engineer or individual contributor, no matter how great they were.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by ssnistfajen »

nickpp wrote: post #135
r721 wrote: post #29

Quote tweets by main participants: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727206691262099616 (+ follow-up https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883 ) https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727206609477411261 https://twitter.com/miramurati/status/1727206862150672843 UPD https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727208843137179915 https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1727210329560756598 https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/17272076…

On a side tangent, absolutely amazing how all this drama unfolded on Twitter/X. No Threads, no Mastodon, no Truth Social or Blue whatever. Say what you want about Elon’s leadership but his instinct to buy Twitter was completely right. To me it seemed like any social network crap but he realized it was important .

What does this have to do with Elon again? FYI Twitter existed before October 2022. Account join dates are public. Every single person involved in this, incl. OpenAI staff posting for solidarity, joined Twitter years before Elon's takeover.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by rinze »

Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

Matt Levine's "slightly annotated diagram" in one of his latest newsletters tells the story quite well, I think: https://newsletterhunt.com/emails/42469

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Post by 0xDEF »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #516

The sane course of action for any healthy organization after last week would be to work actively on becoming more independent from Microsoft. With Sam at the head, especially after Microsoft backing him, they will most likely do the opposite. Meaning a deeper integration with Microsoft. If it wasn't already, OpenAI is now basically a Microsoft subsidiary. With the advantage for Microsoft of not being legally liable f…

Before the current drama:

>Microsoft owned 49% of the for-profit part of OpenAI.

>OpenAI's training, inference, and all other infrastructure were running entirely on Azure credits.

>Microsoft/Azure were the only ones offering OpenAI's models/APIs with a business-friendly SLA, uptime/stability, and the option to host them in Azure data centers outside the US.

OpenAI is already Microsoft.

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Post by murbard2 »

politelemon wrote: post #382
Satam wrote: post #215

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too…

> there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either. That they reached a different conclusion than the outcome you wished for does not indicate a lack of critical thinking skills. They have a different set of information than you do, and reached a different conclusion.

If 95% of people voted in favour of apple pie, I'd become a bit suspicious of apple pie.

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Post by tkgally »

ugh123 wrote: post #484

In light of this weekend's events, and the more i've learned about OpenAI's beginnings and purpose, I now believe that there isn't necessarily a "for profit" motivation of the company, but merely that the original intention to create AI that "benefits humanity" is in full play now through a commercialized ChatGPT, and possibly further leveraged through "GPTs" and their evolution. Is this the "path" to AGI? Who knows!…

In addition to commercialization providing money for AI development, isn't there also the argument that prudent commercialization is the best way to test the models for possible dangers? I think I saw Mira Murati take that position in an interview. In other words, creating a product that people want to use so much that they are willing to pay for it is a good way to stress-test the product.

I don't know if I agree, but the argument did make me think.

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Post by ensocode »

dacryn wrote: post #315
eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

he tells a good story, no matter if its true or has any scientific foundation or not. He tells what others like to hear, and manages to gain money out of it

this - a good, charismatic salesman

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Post by hdivider »

eclectic29 wrote: post #196

The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

This, 100%.

Sam pontificated about fusion power, even here on HN. Beyond investing in Helion, what did he do? Worldcoin. Tempting impoverished people to give up biometric data in exchange for some crypto. And serving as the face of mass-market consumer AI. Clearly that's more cool, and more attractive to VCs.

Meanwhile, what have fusion scientists and engineers done? They kept on going, including by developing ML systems for pure technological effect. Day after day. They got to a breakthrough just this year. Scientists and engineers in national labs, universities, and elsewhere show what a real commitment to technological progress looks like.

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Post by mkii »

didip wrote: post #288

Let’s be real here. At the end of the day, what matters more is commercial success and a big payout. AGI is still very far away and the fear mongering is nothing but PR stunt. But the devs need their big payout now. Which explains the mutiny. The “safety” board of directors drank their own koolaid a bit too much.

You can have unsafe AI without AGI.
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