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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by BlueTemplar »

toyg wrote: post #495
psd1 wrote: post #493

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Or... when you have to go back 1300 years to shed light on a complex issue, naive people should consider that they might not fully grasp the basis of the conflict

That's a classic handwave to avoid going into the fundamental merit of the problem: which is that, based on claims that were last valid more than 1000 years before, a fundamentally-theological apartheid state was installed and then supported with brutal force, pursuing a slow but methodical ethnic cleansing of the land. Unlike similar efforts in previous centuries (i.e. the purge of Native Americans, Aboriginal Austr…

There's nothing wrong with "nationalistic ethnostates", that's just a weird way to say "nation" (ethnicity is fractal).

The problem is the countries that are empires : where non-national ethnicities are subjects. This includes Israel because of its control of Cisjordania and, yes, also the USA (though to be fair, there's hardly anything left of the Native Americans, and as you say, they get the excuse of immaturity).

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

drewbeck wrote: post #491
smsm42 wrote: post #476

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He is not likely taken part in terrorist activities personally, but he admitted to supporting terrorists, so it's not out of the realm of plausible he also provided material support and aid to them. I'm not saying it necessarily happened, but it's not unbelievable.

In the post admitted to supporting Palestinians, and pro-Palestine causes. Is there more to this, or are you painting all Palestinians as terrorists?

Stop with this cheap "all Palestinians" baiting. He explicitly and directly endorsed Hamas and Hezbollah on his social media. And directly said he endorses any action by them right after Hamas murdered 1400 people, so there's no doubt whether or not he makes any distinctions. Maybe you should do at least minimal research before regurgitating formulas the media stuffed your head with.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by fooker »

atoav wrote: post #494
fooker wrote: post #440

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An evil government is not going to obey the laws anyway, so might as well make the well meaning government more effective to prevent the other one.

Historically there are not many instances of this happening tho, unless we are speaking of truly absolute majorities that follow already dictatoric governments. Evil governments have it very easy if the laws they encounter when they get into office are ones that are practical for evil governments. Even the actual Nazis had to fake a reason for why they need to abolish democracy ("Reichstagsbrand"). The reason why the…

Your perspective of history seems limited to the current first world countries.

Governments in Asia, Africa, and South America routinely ignore laws for petty reasons.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by zlg_codes »

smsm42 wrote: post #522
drewbeck wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the post admitted to supporting Palestinians, and pro-Palestine causes. Is there more to this, or are you painting all Palestinians as terrorists?

Stop with this cheap "all Palestinians" baiting. He explicitly and directly endorsed Hamas and Hezbollah on his social media. And directly said he endorses any action by them right after Hamas murdered 1400 people, so there's no doubt whether or not he makes any distinctions. Maybe you should do at least minimal research before regurgitating formulas the media stuffed your head with.

Show us some proof. Tall claims require tall evidence.

For the record, Israel is killing medics and press members, and have done so for their entire existence. Their status as a state, and the US's backing of them at any cost including threats of violence and terrorist accusations if we don't just 'fall in line'.

Maybe you should realize the character of who you're supporting. Israel is not a legitimate country and the US has no right instigating more bullshit in that region.

There are no correct sides in this conflict except with innocent civilians which nobody seems to genuinely care about.

Accuse me of whatever you want, the alternative is being okay with one side raping and pillaging, which imo is worse.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by zlg_codes »

stef25 wrote: post #434
skrebbel wrote: post #28

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> Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Is this pretty universal or is it an American thing?

Law enforcement isn't a big cuddly teddy bear that's there to protect and serve. It can be, but it can also not be ... You don't accidentally end up in a situation where cops tell you that you don't have the right to a lawyer. The west still isn't Iran.

You need to shove the boot a bit further down your throat. Words are still escaping!

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by atoav »

fooker wrote: post #523
atoav wrote: post #494

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Historically there are not many instances of this happening tho, unless we are speaking of truly absolute majorities that follow already dictatoric governments. Evil governments have it very easy if the laws they encounter when they get into office are ones that are practical for evil governments. Even the actual Nazis had to fake a reason for why they need to abolish democracy ("Reichstagsbrand"). The reason why the…

Your perspective of history seems limited to the current first world countries. Governments in Asia, Africa, and South America routinely ignore laws for petty reasons.

Yeah, that means you didn't have the proper seperation of powers to begin with, which was kinda the point of my argument.

If you're down that road and eroded that seperation, getting that thing back into the bottle is really hard without revolutions or massive public uproar. If you never had that seperation to begin with, even worse.

TL;DR: evil governments can ignore laws if the justice system is not independent. Hence the inportance of keeping it independent.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by smsm42 »

zlg_codes wrote: post #524
smsm42 wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop with this cheap "all Palestinians" baiting. He explicitly and directly endorsed Hamas and Hezbollah on his social media. And directly said he endorses any action by them right after Hamas murdered 1400 people, so there's no doubt whether or not he makes any distinctions. Maybe you should do at least minimal research before regurgitating formulas the media stuffed your head with.

Show us some proof. Tall claims require tall evidence. For the record, Israel is killing medics and press members, and have done so for their entire existence. Their status as a state, and the US's backing of them at any cost including threats of violence and terrorist accusations if we don't just 'fall in line'. Maybe you should realize the character of who you're supporting. Israel is not a legitimate country and t…

I'm not going to debate your ignorance and your hate. The proof that Murray supports terrorism is in his own tweets, which are quoted many times here. You are free to remain blind to it, as you are obviously blind to many other things, in service of your hate, which makes you support murderers and rapists. That still doesn't change the facts.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by dingspro »

yakubin wrote: post #506
drewbeck wrote: post #491

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In the post admitted to supporting Palestinians, and pro-Palestine causes. Is there more to this, or are you painting all Palestinians as terrorists?

He supports Hamas and Hezbollah: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... >.

If only all fascists in sheepskins would get this treatment to start with

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by lmm »

wsgeorge wrote: post #515
lmm wrote: post #329

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> Israel by definition can't annex something before it exists. That seems like a purely semantic argument. If a bunch of people from a particular political movement show up somewhere and seize a bunch of land and declare it's part of their nation, whether that nation is completely new or existing doesn't change the morality of that anywhere. E.g. the formation of South Ossetia on Georgian territory is widely recognis…

> show up somewhere and seize a bunch of land and declare it's part of their nation This is the root of your confusion. A bunch of people didn't just "show up somewhere and seize a bunch of land". This bunch of people were steadily migrating and acquiring land legally. The only real "seizure" happened within the context of war caused by their growing, legal presence on the land.

> A bunch of people didn't just "show up somewhere and seize a bunch of land". This bunch of people were steadily migrating and acquiring land legally.

Really? My grandfather talked about having to intercept or shoot the boatloads that were arriving illegally, and not being able to catch them all, and a quick look into the history seems to back that up.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by zlg_codes »

smsm42 wrote: post #527
zlg_codes wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show us some proof. Tall claims require tall evidence. For the record, Israel is killing medics and press members, and have done so for their entire existence. Their status as a state, and the US's backing of them at any cost including threats of violence and terrorist accusations if we don't just 'fall in line'. Maybe you should realize the character of who you're supporting. Israel is not a legitimate country and t…

I'm not going to debate your ignorance and your hate. The proof that Murray supports terrorism is in his own tweets, which are quoted many times here. You are free to remain blind to it, as you are obviously blind to many other things, in service of your hate, which makes you support murderers and rapists. That still doesn't change the facts.

Neither Hamas or Israel are correct in their aggression. I urge you to read about the formation of Israel and ask yourself what value colonialism has in the modern age.

Strange that favoring peaceful civilians, of any ethnicity btw, means hatred. People are so binary in their thought that they assume only two sides exist.

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