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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by adolph »

numpad0 wrote: post #485
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

I think it's completely acceptable so long that a legacy compatible "Pi SE" options would be available, in Pi 3 and Pi 4 form factors. Raspberry Pi are used installed as components into third party engineered products, and Raspberry Pi brand holds no value to potential industrial customers if new products did not technologically exchange with existing such products. That is to say the exact mounting details, electric…

There's nothing stopping a person from putting an ESP on a RPi B board format (or a Zero one), other than certain IO limitation. The upcoming P4 might be a candidate [0]. If you are interested in sbc in Pi form factors (B, Zero, CM3, CM4), then something I follow is CNX [1]. It will typically have notifications of any new Orange Pi, Libre Computer, etc.

0. https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-P4

1. https://www.cnx-software.com/news/raspberry-pi/

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by [deleted] »

lonjil wrote: post #379
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

It may be that whatever is currently bottlenecking RPi4 production isn't relevant to RPi5.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by fanf2 »

maxmalkav wrote: post #142
pjerem wrote: post #107

I hope they’ll reiterate the computer in keyboard form factor (pi 400). My son is 6 and is learning to read and the pi 400 looks like a perfect first computer.

I really like the form factor, if only there would be some off-the-shelf options for a mechanical keyboard version .. I know there are plenty DIY projects for this (and the cyberdeck scene is a rabbit hole that I do not dare to go down), but it would be nice something more easily available.

Yeah the 400 made it difficult to fit a replacement keyboard. It will be really nice if the 500 has an RP2040 for the keyboard controller instead of the fixed function Holtek thing in the 400. Then the keyboard FPC connector would be a second secret GPIO bank :-)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nine_k »

IE6 wrote: post #483
irusensei wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true as long as you don't mind using modified vendor supplied operating systems. Most of these advanced boards will lock you into some patched Ubuntu version. So far from the ones I've worked only the Pi and a patched Rockpro64 allows you to boot some generic USB installer from UEFI and have the system your way with mainline kernel support.

I agree with you about dev boards but I think their post was focused on things like used NUCs or other small x86 machines that are only marginally larger than a Pi in an enclosure and include literally everything you'd want (enclosure, pwa fan, SATA SSD, NVMe, wifi, etc.) and the software support is there (linux / windows).

How about power consumption, especially in when not under load? I remember that Intel chips were not as efficient at it as chips with ARM cores.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by bufferoverflow »

intrasight wrote: post #518
ranting-moth wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Do you have any links for mini PCs like that?

I see Minisforum mentioned frequently. A couple of examples https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... I do think these make more sense for most people. But I'll for sure be getting a Pi 5. I sold all my Pi 3 and 4 during the pandemic since I wasn't using them.

These are $250 and $300+

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by fanf2 »

michaeltimo wrote: post #432

For me the advantage of Raspberry pi was passive cooling without worrying about any moving objects and running 24/7. Being affordable was another clear advantage. These two does not apply here anymore. I might be wrong but buying a used mini pc like Nuc or SFF PCs seems to be more reasonable than buying a 80$ SBC + Case and adapter costs.

You can still buy older versions of the Raspberry Pi if you don’t need the performance of the newer ones.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by tpmx »

a_paddy wrote: post #487
lonjil wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be that whatever is currently bottlenecking RPi4 production isn't relevant to RPi5.

Through hole components resulted in previous Pi's being slightly slower to manufacture, the Pi5 only uses surface mount components which should increase Sony's build cadence.

The bottleneck has been component availability ("supply chain"), not manufacturing.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nine_k »

sapiogram wrote: post #506
moffkalast wrote: post #222

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True, I've gotten Pi 4s pretty low (< 1W), disabling the LEDs, Ethernet, HDMI, and USB controller, but it's never gonna equal a proper suspend.

1W is honestly not that great, though. A smartphone will do 10x that out of the box, and still pling for Facebook notifications.

A smartphone has two entirely separate computers in it, the one that runs Android or iOS, and the baseband controller. The latter is built to be very power-efficient while waiting for a radio signal. It will wake up the dormant application OS computer when a push notification comes in.

The same likely can be built on top of an RPi, using, say, wake-on-LAN signaling, or some GPIO as an interrupt source. You'll have to suspend your OS while idle for a prolonged time though.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by tetris11 »

intrasight wrote: post #518
ranting-moth wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Do you have any links for mini PCs like that?

I see Minisforum mentioned frequently. A couple of examples https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... I do think these make more sense for most people. But I'll for sure be getting a Pi 5. I sold all my Pi 3 and 4 during the pandemic since I wasn't using them.

19V at 3x the cost, compared to the Pi5's 5V at $60

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by s3p »

foggywin wrote: post #71
isoprophlex wrote: post #6

I'm happy that they're upgrading the pi, but it's not exactly lightweight computing in terms of power (they recommend a 27W PSU) or performance/watt (see: your cell phone) To me the charm of the raspi ecosystem was always in giving you a very low power, "always on, almost no power draw" linux environment. Oh well, I guess there's always the older versions or the zero for that.

Did you read the blog post? :) "Raspberry Pi 5 consumes significantly less power, and runs significantly cooler, than Raspberry Pi 4 when running an identical workload. However, the much higher performance ceiling means that for the most intensive workloads, and in particular for pathological “power virus” workloads, peak power consumption increases to around 12W, versus 8W for Raspberry Pi 4."

Can you explain their decision to recommend a 27W power supply then?
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