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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pyr0hu » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:19 AM UTC

slmjkdbtl wrote: post #466

pyr0hu wrote: post #113

Nice, time for the yearly reinstall. I usually reinstall my MacBook whenever the new OS releases, it keeps my machine clean and fast.

Do you have a setup script to automate everything when you got a fresh system? How long does it take to start being productive after a fresh install?

Yup, using homebrew, I can install everything I need including GUI stuff. Without taking into MacOS install time into consideration, using my script it takes around 1 hour, tops.

I'm mostly a backend dev so I just install Docker and be done with my stack. The script installs the usual tools that I use for daily work, Slack/Discord, editors, browsers.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bzzzt » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:22 AM UTC

eastbound wrote: post #450

aeyes wrote: post #341

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At least they didn't "gift" you the album like they did with U2

Oh man, I have never loaded music on my phone, so whenever the car starts, it plays the first song on the iPhone. I hate U2! And I hate that they’re receiving money each I do this!

Do they though? It was a gifted digital 'purchase', not a stream. Anyway, seems you can contact Apple support to permanently remove the album from your account.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tempodox » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:24 AM UTC

And remember, never install the .0 version of a macOS on a mission-critical machine, or at least do it on a separate volume.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by chakintosh » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:28 AM UTC

pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

I've been using Keychain for years now, and it's the only password manager a regular user will ever need imo.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by amjnsx » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:28 AM UTC

jwells89 wrote: post #302

KerrAvon wrote: post #260

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I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.

The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.

I don't mind the UI on Mac so much as weird bugs where the chrome extension doesn't always work and I need to quit and restart.

The iPad app UI is far more frustrating to use, mainly because the search function is hidden behind a down scroll now.

I'm keeping an eye on Proton at the moment as I use their email and they do have a password manager offering.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bzzzt » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:29 AM UTC

Hammershaft wrote: post #463

cztomsik wrote: post #432

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I have similar feelings. Apple did a wonderful job with M1/M2, but on the software side, I have mixed feelings. Xcode is a mess, and Swift UI is not a complete replacement for Cocoa. And on the OS side, I feel like Apple is creating features that I instantly disable because they do the exact opposite of what I want.

Apple's hardware is incredible but the software is increasingly grating for any kind of power usage. Xcode is frustrating, the permissions system is flagrantly designed for Apple's self interest, window, monitor, and app management is rife with ancient bugs and half baked design decisions.

But what's the alternative? Windows has also become incredibly grating with even more telemetry and commercial offerings embedded in the OS (especially the home versions). If you think of macOS as 'half baked' I'm curious what you think of Linux distributions with their infighting about everything from the desktop and graphics stack to which tool should start up system services. There's even less internal consistency there.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by rimliu » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:30 AM UTC

oxonia wrote: post #208

n8henrie wrote: post #197

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https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.

Yes, the Homebrew message does seem unnecessarily hostile. Not everyone can afford to buy a brand new computer every year.

Not everyone can afford supporting old OSes.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tempodox » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #507

cztomsik wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have similar feelings. Apple did a wonderful job with M1/M2, but on the software side, I have mixed feelings. Xcode is a mess, and Swift UI is not a complete replacement for Cocoa. And on the OS side, I feel like Apple is creating features that I instantly disable because they do the exact opposite of what I want.

Xcode is a mess in many fronts. For example my Xcode updated automatically to a version which couldn't support Ventura anymore, the OS I'm still running. I had to uninstall the app store version and manually download older one to fix the situation.

Friends don't let friends install Xcode from the AppStore.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tempodox » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:33 AM UTC

cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Since I've changed to MacPorts many years ago, I never had any such trouble.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jd3 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 9:35 AM UTC

Klonoar wrote: post #510

jd3 wrote: post #498

Sonoma UI feels great. I'm also excited that they finally fixed Quartz Debug — the "Enable Vertical Sync" option finally works again when disabled. My mouse feels snappier and there's noticeably less delay when moving windows around.

Is that meant to say “disable”?

Yep, disabled.