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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by chrisdhoover »

bandyaboot wrote: post #250
credit_guy wrote: post #205

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Except that in regular school, if you want your kids to learn math, depending of the state you're in, you may be just out of luck.

Is this literally about states that have poor math achievement, or is it along the lines of some states aren’t teaching math because ? It’s become difficult to tell when a good faith discussion on public education is happening.

My experience is very old. I went to one of the most highly rated county school systems in the US. The quality of math instruction was horrible. It was called new math back in the 60’s. I think we are on at least the third iteration, new new new math. In grad school I finally had a good teacher.

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Post by maxk42 »

nitwit005 wrote: post #239
Hayvok wrote: post #122

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We homeschool our four children, are religious, most of our friends homeschool, and this is nonsense. We love the schedule flexibility of homeschooling, the ability to let our kids explore their own interests more, and most of all - we just love being with our kids and they get to have their siblings and parents all day. > That's because teaching kids is super hard and real easy to mess up. Forgive me, but this is ju…

You're making an "it worked for me" argument, which doesn't mean much. There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. Evidently teaching kids is, in fact, easy to mess up.

>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US.

And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Public education is notoriously inconsistent and frequently produces children that haven't met minimum educational requirements precisely because it lacks the individual attention kids need.

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Post by chrisdhoover »

Spooky23 wrote: post #305
whynotminot wrote: post #226

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> The point is that there’s no reasonable - folks doing this have deeply expressed beliefs and if you disagree you’re evil. They only sound reasonable when speaking in general terms. This is such good point about why this conversation is so frustrating. Because in the abstract, if good faith could be assumed, there's a discussion to be had here. GP responded to me here being like "well what if they were Russian or Ch…

You’re right. Right wing mass movements are never about high minded anything. It’s all lizard brain stuff. Get people angry about blather and they don’t notice their pockets getting picked. The good news is that there’s a history of these type of trends through history, and these movements burn out.

Just substitute left wing for right wing and read it back. Its still true

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Post by ethbr1 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #512
ethbr1 wrote: post #472

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"Fitting in" is no small thing. The world would be better today if more people had the ability to empathize with someone not-them, sufficiently adjust their own way of interacting to put others at ease, and generally be less abrasive and fragile. And if we want to talk in absolutes... At best, public school provides an opportunity to learn socialization that cannot be replicated in a home environment. At worst, you g…

The problem with this "fitting in" narrative is that as adults we don't care about it so much, people enjoy meeting new and unusual people (as long as they're baseline socially functional), there's a huge social stigma against being bigoted so basically everyone views adult bullies as worthless assholes and the cops will arrest people for much less than bullies get away with on the school yard every day even in the f…

I would say that much of adult society still runs on "fitting in" (e.g. social groups, corporate hierarchies), ergo being able to do it deftly is a huge life skill.

There's definitely a stigma around adults engaging in specific types of bullying (physical) and bigotry (e.g. protected classes), but society as a whole rewards more subtle bullying (political power dynamics) and ignores subtle bigotry (e.g. caste, microaggression).

The point of socialization, and indeed bullying itself, in school is in no small party to teach everyone (bully and bullied) what acceptable and unacceptable forms are.

Absent that, you either get people who are worse bullies (because they never learned where the line was) or are fragile (because they never learned where the "I should/shouldn't be able to handle this uncomfortable thing" line is).

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Post by scotty79 »

tbrownaw wrote: post #103
scotty79 wrote: post #33

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Because their schools are financed by local property taxes so if everybody around you isn't rich, your public school is poor and bad.

Check out figure four here: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cma/public-school... Only five states get more than half of school funding from property taxes.

"On a national basis in 2019–20, revenues from local property taxes comprised 37 percent of total revenues for public schools."

Schools often operate on a shoestring budget. 30% more or less often makes a difference between decently founded school and a disaster. I don't think you can deny that local property taxes funding shapes US education and its perception.

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Post by cogman10 »

maxk42 wrote: post #522
nitwit005 wrote: post #239

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You're making an "it worked for me" argument, which doesn't mean much. There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. Evidently teaching kids is, in fact, easy to mess up.

>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Public education is notoriously inconsistent and frequently produces children that haven't met minimum educational requirements precisely because it lacks the individual attention kids need.

>>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US.

> And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled.

Yeah, I can. Multiple in fact. That's the reason for my initial comment. My experience here isn't exactly unique. Search this threads, there are others raised in these sorts of communities that have similar experiences.

You can find these people to if you like. Simply go attend a fundamentalist religion service and ask around their homeschooling programs. It's really not hard to find if you know where to look.

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Post by Cypher »

andrewstuart wrote: post #111

Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…

Home schooling isn't a 9 till 3:30PM everyday. It doesn't have to mimic the systematic school routine. It's far more flexible and beneficial for students that are being held back by school or falling behind.

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Post by andrepd »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #508
andrepd wrote: post #498

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What a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. Were you homeschooled? /s

If you think you made a meaningful statistical statement, your fundamental misunderstanding of language is a strike against any public school that graduated you.

And original too!

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Let's end this conversation here, this is devolving into useless banter.

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Post by [deleted] »

ethbr1 wrote: post #489
whatshisface wrote: post #380

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No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

> No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid. The consequence is that every parent, given a scenario where they feel their kid is being kicked around, will remove their kid from that situation. That's not a healthy absolute either.

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Post by whatshisface »

ethbr1 wrote: post #489
whatshisface wrote: post #380

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No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

> No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid. The consequence is that every parent, given a scenario where they feel their kid is being kicked around, will remove their kid from that situation. That's not a healthy absolute either.

Would "we must force parents to keep their kids in situations where they (the parents) believe the children are being abused, to make sure the kids grow up tougher than their parents desires would result in," be a solution anyone would actually want?
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