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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by Aerbil313 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 9:38 AM UTC

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That's not how it works. There can be a lot of good people, but all you need is one in-your-face racist encounter to ruin your decade. It's like how even a rumor of a shark will keep you firmly on the beach.

Indeed. One single racist encounter of mine ruined my past 2 decades. I can’t help but think about it all the time till this day. It’s honestly wondrous how a simple insult of 2 words could destabilize my mental health and even pushed me over the tide to harming myself seriously once, thankfully I was rushed to the hospital fast. I’m still getting nightmares every other day, the blurry face of that stranger waking me…

Edit: The very act of writing this comment traumatized me so much that I died of a heart attack. Fortunately the graveyard is near a cell tower, I can get LTE signal.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by mapgrep » Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

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No comparison between the excellent economic growth of South Korea and that of Greece, Hungary, Austria, or Italy going back to either cold war or post cold war days, despite this hypothesis of "empire gradient". If you google "World Bank GDP growth " you can find charts back to 1961. South Korea exports consumer goods to the large US market, this has been a massive fuel for their growth. They followed in Japan's foo…

Your post was very good. I take issue with one part: I can't think of a single manufactured product out of Greece, Hungary, Austria and few from Italy to the US. I would strongly disagree with Austria, and modestly disagree with Italy. Austria is a low population manufacturing powerhouse. They are not making consumer goods. They are making "widgets" that other manufactures use to create finished products. B2B vs B2C,…

That’s interesting about Austria, thanks for that! I may have underestimated them. (I did check their growth rate and for whatever reason not as strong as S Korea…)

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by posterboy » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 7:01 PM UTC

logifail wrote: post #282

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Suppose you need automation for machinery in a cutting edge fab, that would be much further in the future? They could ship from Taiwan, so the idea that this is a back up does not sound entirely wrong. Sounds like fan-fiction, too, true enough. AMD is already there and Intel is building in Lower Saxony. Must be something about the region, perhaps the chemistry since the Erzgebirge has a history in mining. Meisner Por…

> Must be something about the region [snip] Following Occam's razor, perhaps it's that it's just cheaper? "The monthly pay ranking of German states is headed by Hamburg with 3,619 euros, followed by Baden-Württemberg with 3,546 euros and Hesse with 3,494 euros. The lowest salaries are received by employees in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania with an average of 2,391 euros. Slightly more is earned in Thuringia with 2,459…

Yes, I was thinking closeness to the Polish border must have something to do with it, as is also pertinent with Tesla's giga factory.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by coliveira » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 4:12 AM UTC

t43562 wrote: post #518

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So is the US stealing from Texas, Alaska, or Hawaii?

Oh, I see, you're trying to excuse the Chinese for being arseholes now because someone else did something in the past. It's irrelevant because it's not in the interests of the rest of the world for Taiwan to be gobbled up.

If the US did then it is fine and good. It will be alright for Taiwan.

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Post by throwaway2037 » Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 3:08 PM UTC

mapgrep wrote: post #522

throwaway2037 wrote: post #418

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Your post was very good. I take issue with one part: I can't think of a single manufactured product out of Greece, Hungary, Austria and few from Italy to the US. I would strongly disagree with Austria, and modestly disagree with Italy. Austria is a low population manufacturing powerhouse. They are not making consumer goods. They are making "widgets" that other manufactures use to create finished products. B2B vs B2C,…

That’s interesting about Austria, thanks for that! I may have underestimated them. (I did check their growth rate and for whatever reason not as strong as S Korea…)

About growth rates: The higher your median income, the harder it is to have high growth rates. Think about it from the perspective of economic competition: You need to find new markets (hard at this point) or outcompete existing competitors in other countries to grow. It is crazy hard to grow once you are fully developed and rich, like Austria. It does not surprise me that Korea has a higher growth rate than Austria -- they are less developed.

Edit: To be clear: Please do not read this post as bashing Korea. I think they are doing an amazing job in the last 50 years growing themselves out of poverty. It is a crazy and amazing story.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by throwaway2037 » Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

sebastianz wrote: post #502

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What is this comment down voted? I think that the post makes a valid point. Not speaking about France, but I am always stunned when people think that they can make obviously Islamophobic comments in front of me. I always try to push back, but they regularly push back harder. I'm tired of it. It is bizarre, anti-social behaviour in 2023. I guess that during the 1930s in some of parts of Europe were similar for Jews/Ro…

> I guess that during the 1930s in some of parts of Europe were similar for Jews/Romani. "Normal" daily discrimination was a way of life. 1930s? How about 2023 :)

Oh, come on. Are you trolling me? Do you really think that Jews and Romani are facing "normal" daily discrimination _in the same way_ as the 1930s? I beg to differ.