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maybe in your universe. i lost count of appliances that failed after 1 year, where the vendor is asking for all sorts of pictures and then declares "it's not covered by warranty". repairing such item comes from own pocket, and -if possible - it's usually comparable to paying for it again
What is "your universe" then ? Name and shame
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This should be straightforwardly solvable with an improved control algorithm. A well insulated oven cools much more slowly with the door closed, so a control algorithm can’t recover as quickly if it overshoots the set temperature.
It's not just a question of control algorithm, if have one dish you need high, and the next you need lower, you have not overshot anything but you need the oven to come down. No control algorithm will magic that out.
Admittedly, the ducted exhaust fan is not nearly as useful in a commercial setting where the oven is under a hood.
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But you can't buy expensive fridges that last that long, they just come with more stainless steel, wifi, and a larger price tag. The internals are all commodity components that are manufactured in the same plants from the same materials as lesser models, all with the same incentives to have households replace their fridge as frequently as possible without actually tanking the brand.
Sure you can. We spent about $12,000 on our fridge 15 years ago when we first renod our house and its still going just fine. Never once has it had to be serviced.
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> it costs me only about a dollar a month to run The low end Frigidaires are estimated at $56 a year, perhaps $8 less per year for an Energy Star one. I don't know anything about chest freezers, but there's no way a general purpose 1960s/70s fridge that one opens multiple times a day gets anything close to that.
Chest freezers are automatically a lot more efficient. The cold air tends to stay in them when opened, unlike upright models.
How much energy is used by upright 60s/70s vintage fridges? If anyone has data I'd like to know it.
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Sure you can. We spent about $12,000 on our fridge 15 years ago when we first renod our house and its still going just fine. Never once has it had to be serviced.
Yeah and I've got a $400 lab fridge (no freezer, no nothing) of similar vintage that I've yet to have an issue with. Flukes happen. I think it's hysterical that refrigerators that have similar price tags to cars I've owned exist in the world. Nice racket for someone I suppose. Some people's kids...
:) Well I guess today is the day you learn that everyone has different interests and tastes. We like to cook and a fridge the size of the one we have means we can hold a few weeks worth of food that we prepare.
it also means we can stock up on fridge food so we don't need to buy it every day and the large freezer means we can keep food for longer.
You could also consider that we just may have alot more money than you and us spending $14,000 on a fridge is the equivalent amount of our income or net worth as you spending $400 on a fridge.
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While I really like the idea of a split system approach you run into some big installation issues. Namely, the refrigerant is a restricted product that can only be handled by licensed professionals. Thus, what I would like to see is a system where the refrigerator has two air pipes to the outside and a concept of heating/cooling load. It would have an ambient temperature thermostat that would say to reject heat indoo…
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to water-cool the refrigerator's condenser coils, and use the heated water as input for a dishwasher or kitchen sink.
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Yeah and I've got a $400 lab fridge (no freezer, no nothing) of similar vintage that I've yet to have an issue with. Flukes happen. I think it's hysterical that refrigerators that have similar price tags to cars I've owned exist in the world. Nice racket for someone I suppose. Some people's kids...
> Yeah and I've got a $400 lab fridge (no freezer, no nothing) of similar vintage that I've yet to have an issue with. Flukes happen. I think it's hysterical that refrigerators that have similar price tags to cars I've owned exist in the world. Nice racket for someone I suppose. Some people's kids... :) Well I guess today is the day you learn that everyone has different interests and tastes. We like to cook and a fri…
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But you can't buy expensive fridges that last that long, they just come with more stainless steel, wifi, and a larger price tag. The internals are all commodity components that are manufactured in the same plants from the same materials as lesser models, all with the same incentives to have households replace their fridge as frequently as possible without actually tanking the brand.
Sure you can. We spent about $12,000 on our fridge 15 years ago when we first renod our house and its still going just fine. Never once has it had to be serviced.
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Do you have any suggestions how at least a single consumer would initiate a demand for reliability? And how would a manufacturer declare and prove they indeed include reliability in their products?
If I could choose between a $1000 appliance with a 10-year warranty and a $500 one with a 5-year warranty I know what I'd go with. But that sort of choice is virtually never available.
Plus choosing a $1000 for a 10-year warranty would be a very bad deal, since $500 guarantees you 5-year product, additional working time or ability to sell and repurchase of an improved version of a product. Minus could be inflation or less reliable product in the future.
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I have also wondered if internet-connected fridges use more electricity. Having a computer and touchscreen and wifi collecting data 24/7 and sending it to samsung can't be cheap power-wise.
An internet-connected fridge might use a tiny amount of additional electricity (probably a couple watts when active, and much less when idle, which should be most of the time). But this is dwarfed by the massive improvements in refrigerator efficiency over the last 70 years. A modern refrigerator uses less than a third of the energy of a 1960's-era fridge while also having considerably more space for food.