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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them. In the messaging case, it’s i…

>Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. Oh yeah its not a Apple thing, its a human thing. Apple takes advantage of that weakness in humans and reinforces it with their marketing. I personally don't have the ethics to take advantage of people who are class insecure, but Apple stepped up in the tech space. Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and its fine beca…

> Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and it’s fine because they sell a social club, not necessarily the ability to compute.

Yes, that’s the claim but it’s glaring how it’s an emotional position presented as a given but completely unsupported by any evidence and bears a striking resemblance to a competitor’s PR campaign. If this was true, it’d be easy to point to things like ads or marketing material disparaging SMS users – not to mention some effort to extend this outside of the United States where apps like WhatsApp are far more popular.

> If they aren't selling a social club, they are doing a poor job at letting people compute.

Here’s the thing: most people don’t buy phones (or computers) to “compute”. If you look at an Apple ad, it’s full of people doing things like creating photos or videos, sharing moments with their friends, traveling, etc. – that’s what they’re selling and the repeat purchase rate suggests most people feel like they are getting what they were promised.

I get it may help you feel more confident about your Android preferences to concoct these weird theories about iOS buyers being brainwashed or part of some weird social club but you might want to consider why you need to justify your preference this way. Most iOS users are buying something which they find useful and you’d be far more successful in your advocacy if you focused on what tangible benefits normal people are missing out on. What you’re doing sounds insecure, not persuasive.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

Not to defend in any way his past stances against Open Source, but Bill Gates has nothing to do with today's Microsoft choices. About the Windows gaming machine, you can surely build one just for gaming; just never put any personal data on it, never use it for surfing or doing anything that is not gaming, never give it any unfiltered access to your LAN, assume it contains malicious software then put it on dedicated E…

LookingGlass is an alternative.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

> Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s This is one of the ways I can tell what preconceived opinion someone has. The only problem with the battery throttling was PR. The engineering solution was correct and objectively better than not throttling. Should they have told users their battery was failing? Sure. But keeping the phone from crashing was better than letting it. > unauthorized Apps on MacOS must be opened with…

> I've never had to do that.

Using OKD (OpenShift Kubernetes Distribution) because I just dealt with this morning:

https://github.com/okd-project/okd/releases - download the MacOS installer and unzip it.

Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog.

Go to Finder, and double click it. Get the same message.

You have to go to Finder, then right click the app, specifically hit Open (which will open a terminal that will immediately exit), and only now can you run this app in your original terminal.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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It's not that its green thats the issue, is the shade of green they chose. It does not contrast well with white text and makes it hard to read.

But the argument does become a lot weaker unless they changed the shade of green after introducing iMessage. If it stayed the same, then it's just the design they chose from the beginning. Also worth noting is that the color only applies to sent messages. When you receive a message, it's just gray in either case. It makes a certain amount of sense to let the user know which transport their outbound message went on si…

They actually did change it. It used to be much more readable. There's a comparison screenshot in this article https://css-tricks.com/apple-messages-color-contrast/

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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You can't think of Microsoft, or any company, as a monolith or personify them. The question is not how Microsoft benefits from this but rather which executive benefits from this. Given that I believe Windows team is now grouped together with the Bing (and Edge) team, I think the reasons for these sorts of changes are obvious.

If you think it's so obvious, why don't you provide the answer? I don't think GP would have posted the question if it were obvious to them. Whether you talk about Microsoft-the-firm or Microsoft-the-shareholders when asking about "what's in it for them": that's the same thing because it's a for-profit business, so that's an irrelevant thing to post as well.

I think the point (which I agree with) is this doesn't benefit Microsoft at all. It benefits a VP by them being able to show some metric move from Q to Q, and get a fat bonus. They couldn't care less about the long term effect on Microsoft's PR / reputation (they'll likely skitter off after collecting a few of those bonuses either rest&vest with some D&I initiative, or move off to the next victim to suck from).

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Everything is easier on Windows 11. If you have 10 it's all harder and less built in, and some features don't work at all

It is 10 yes. I glossed over a few steps as 'updated and restarted' - I actually spent an entire day trying to enable secure boot and (as required in order to) upgrade to 11 and then recovering from fearing I'd bricked it. (GPU doesn't support it, I now think (beforehand had no idea that even might be an issue). Motherboard then wouldn't revert to integrated graphics even with the card removed.) I really can't fathom…

You blame Windows for all these issues around Secure Boot, then you need to be equally annoyed at Apple for how "not easy" it is to run Linux on a Mac with a T2 security chip and disabling System Integrity Protection...

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Exactly. The power over iMessage is in Apple’s hands. Yet Google, with their RCS push, have not made something open-source were they have less power than Apple. RCS is controlled by Google just like iMessage.

That isnt factual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA Google doesnt control RCS. Its a general format. Apple could implement RCS. At most, they are a loud voice. Any phone can adopt it. This is completely different from a closed imessage that cannot be adopted by others. Not to mention, imessage has been pretty anti-consumer with all their security problems, inability to accept high quality video, etc... None of this…

Google does control the proprietary extensions to RCS they use to try to catch up to iMessage on security and features. The developers of apps like Signal, etc. have been asking for access for many years but Google chose to exclude them as they try to build their user base. Similarly, most of the carriers in the US haven’t actually implemented it themselves - they’re just paying Google’s Jibe subsidiary to host it for them. This is not open in practice even if there’s a theory where it could eventually be open.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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The dark pattern is redirecting Google search to Apple maps.

Maybe you don’t remember when Google started inserting its own maps at the top of location searches in place of the top-result: MapQuest. Probably a good 15 years ago.

How is this even remotely relevant? Company 1 does self-centered things, so Company 2 cannot receive criticism for doing self-centered things?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Well at least Microsoft allows you to install other browsers. Apple only allows skins for their mobile browser.

That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Personally I use Linux unless forced to use something else by my employer.

> on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults

on a new install of MacOS, when you have installed Chrome and explicitly set it as the default browser, MacOS will still ask you, albeit once, whether you really want to open that resource in Chrome, or Safari. And Chrome isn't the default option.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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They did change the shade of green, and the newer one is much less readable. See for yourself: Original: https://ronstauffer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/taking-a-pic... Current: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...

It may just be that I happen to have my reading glasses on right now, but both of those are easy to read. But let's run with that for a moment, and assume many people do in fact find that more difficult to read. I still have trouble calling that particularly hostile given that it's sent messages, received ones are the same color no matter what. I'm more open to the green vs blue argument than the old-green vs new-gre…

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