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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by stephencanon »

hajile wrote: post #510
D13Fd wrote: post #500

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Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

The Pacifica seems interesting as the only PHEV around. 32 miles on electric will take you a lot of places while still having a motor means you can haul heavy stuff or even tow without range dropping to nothing.

My next-door neighbor (single dad with three kids) has one and it's a goddamn delight. He just got a Tesla to replace it because he took a new job that's outside of the battery-only range of the minivan and his eldest is big enough to sit in front now. Not nearly as nice of a car, but he wants to be all-electric, and was stuck on his commute. Alas.

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Post by stephencanon »

thevagrant wrote: post #496
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #446

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because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that's just a detail. It's possible to get _better_ visibility from a camera than a mirror. e.g. good placement, adapting to low light.

I've had plenty of car cameras glitch out or stop working.

To say nothing of getting crusted with road salt anytime you drive in winter.

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Post by dublinben »

tshaddox wrote: post #244
mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

> That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a new car and have been pleasantly surprised at the breadth of offerings. My wife and I are in the market for a second car, after buying an ICE SUV at the beginning of the pandemic and having no car for 10 years before that (living in San Francisco). There’s a lot of options for a $40,000+ primary family car, but my i…

An electric motorcycle might suit you well as a second vehicle. There’s tons of them in that price range. It would help with horrible LA traffic as well.

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Post by nekoashide »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #320
bushbaba wrote: post #208

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Have you driven an id4? Similar to Tesla the id platform was built for EVs.

I'm a huge fan of VW, but the ID.4 is pretty gutless compared to any Tesla model. That may appeal to some people, but I like speeding; a lot.

I watched Doug DeMuro latest video on the ID.4 and he says it's not fast. On one hand performance might not be needed for a people mover. On the other hand people expect EV's to have superior performance.

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Post by uptime »

hajile wrote: post #510
D13Fd wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

The Pacifica seems interesting as the only PHEV around. 32 miles on electric will take you a lot of places while still having a motor means you can haul heavy stuff or even tow without range dropping to nothing.

I have one and it has been great. We had to buy the most expensive trim to get one - not sure that is true anymore. We mostly use the battery as we live in a small city. Most of our commute and errands are within range or it swaps to gas. I fill up every other month if that. If we go on the road of course it’s basically an ICEbox but still gets better mileage than my older toyotas did. It charges the battery from our home charger in a couple of hours so on weekends we end up using the battery twice a day.

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Post by hnburnsy »

jmcphers wrote: post #240
bdcravens wrote: post #202

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The eGMP platform options from Hyundai (Hyundia Ioniq 5 and 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60) were also built in a dedicated manner. While I have an EV6 (and my wife an ID.4), if I was on the market now, there's a ton of low-mileage Model 3 and Y out there, and the prices have come down significantly.

I test drove a Tesla and an EV6 and wound up with the EV6. Tesla's got a lot going for them but their lead is quickly evaporating.

At least in North America I don't think this is true. GM can't reliably produce the Lyriq or Hummer and is ending the Bolt. Ford has stagnate sales on the MachE and Lighting porduction was stopped during Q1. Toyota and Honda are MIA.

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Post by CalRobert »

prmoustache wrote: post #508
blake1 wrote: post #507

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Minivan seems like a great form factor for an EV. Unfortunately, the small number of companies that still make minivans are also the companies that are slowest to adopt EVs.

It is the ideal form factor for anyone with a little bit of sense. It has the best room/capacity per footprint.

They aren't the most aerodynamic and had surprisingly bad fuel economy the last time I looked, but after those concerns it's hard to beat a minivan. I was shocked just how little cargo capacity my father in law's big fancy Mercedes SUV has - I was able to fit more in a Honda Fit (which explains the name!)

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

mlni wrote: post #515
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #457

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there are no State issued EV bonuses/tax rebates for the Corolla. if there were, Corolla would outsell Tesla Y by a large margin.

The article seemed to be about worldwide sales. There's no tax rebate on a Model Y (or Corolla) around here.

Yep, point was there are State incentives to buy EVs Worldwide.

For example:

https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-mal...

https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/france-rese...

https://www.idealista.it/en/news/financial-advice-italy/2022...

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Post by loudmax »

hajile wrote: post #510
D13Fd wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

The Pacifica seems interesting as the only PHEV around. 32 miles on electric will take you a lot of places while still having a motor means you can haul heavy stuff or even tow without range dropping to nothing.

My plug-in Prius gets about the same range. If that range is sufficient for most of your driving, I think PHEV is a fantastic compromise between driving electric most of the time and switching to ICE when you need the additional range.

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Post by blake1 »

amarant wrote: post #518
blake1 wrote: post #507

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Minivan seems like a great form factor for an EV. Unfortunately, the small number of companies that still make minivans are also the companies that are slowest to adopt EVs.

What use case does a minivan solve that a VW ID BUZZ does not? I guess it's technically not a minivan(?), but it's not very far from it!

Are the middle and rear seats in the ID Buzz storable or removable? That was the only thing I remember.
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