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Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong

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Post by obscurette »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #516
obscurette wrote: post #511

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The main problem is that teaching is only one of many things to influence what and how people learn. From teachers perspective ... If I conclude after a lesson that learning took place then why? Is it because the way I taught (words and examples I used etc) or because kids had finally enough time to think about topic and things just fell into place and it really didn't matter how I taught? Or it didn't matter at all…

So: too many variables, impossible to pinpoint cause and effect, hence any conclusions are flawed. Yes/no?

Many variables with many unknowns in chaotic system. Conclusions can and must be made, but they don't translate well into other systems/time/etc.

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Post by Vanderson »

tdekken wrote: post #503
Vanderson wrote: post #469

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I have a friend who I met in college who got his PhD working under Zig, which is how people who knew Engelmann called him. And this friend gave me a copy of his book "How to teach your child to read in 100 lessons" and I used it to teach my own kids. I think you have an up hill battle with getting traction with DI, but if you succeed that would be a great benefit to many people. (my perception) What is the protocol o…

Thanks so much for your response Vanderson! I wish I had known about How to Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Lessons when I was teaching my daughter. I definitely fumbled my way through it :). > I think you have an up hill battle with getting traction with DI, but if you succeed that would be a great benefit to many people. (my perception) I completely agree and it really isn't too surprising that DI never took off in…

I could certainly put you in touch with my friend. What I meant by "offline" is that I really don't want to put my email address into a public forum to be spammed. Any suggestions how to share contact info?

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Post by denton-scratch »

nohaydeprobleme wrote: post #280
nice2meetu wrote: post #225

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We were told it was better to let the teachers teach otherwise kids learn bad habits or don’t engage. That being said our eldest went to school at 4 1/2 in Australia and they had to learn 100 words in their first year (phonics), and we were a little worried that it seemed so intense, though she ended up learning 200 or so and went on to become a voracious reader. But then we moved to the US and our youngest started s…

That's interesting because in the 1960 novel To Kill a Mockingbird (widely taught in the US and well-known in other countries), there's a scene where the character Scout is criticized in school by her teacher, when it's discovered that Scout learned to read ahead of the curriculum, from her father at home. The teacher expressed the concern that Scout might end up learning how to read incorrectly. If I remember correc…

That's funny.

I learned French by immersion (my parents sent me to a French school aged six, and for six months I was miserable). When I went to an English school, and took French lessons, I was marked down for using the subjunctive before I had been taught it.

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Post by passion__desire »

xapata wrote: post #373
AlwaysRock wrote: post #244

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It doesnt work but placebo is strong. If someone thinks it is working, while also learning in other ways, then its likely working.

The placebo effect is so strong that it even works if you know you're taking a placebo. Brains are amazing!

Whether you are fluent in a language or not is decided by others i.e. society and not you. How is placebo effect relevant here?
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