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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

I think most humans today massively underestimate just how absolutely shitty the life of a medieval peasant was. You would have lived in a one room house without electricity, worked the fields from childhood (if you survived childhood), eaten simple foods without spices, watched your friends die from illness, then maybe get conscripted into a medieval war. If you thought the people at the top had power now boy you'd…

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I think most humans today massively underestimate just how absolutely shitty the life of a medieval peasant was. You would have lived in a one room house without electricity, worked the fields from childhood (if you survived childhood), eaten simple foods without spices, watched your friends die from illness, then maybe get conscripted into a medieval war.

You don’t have to go to medieval times for that. The first half of the 20th century was like that for a lot of people in what is considered rich counties today.

In the cities many large families (or multiple families) shared a tenement and TB and polio ran rampage. Outside the cities many families lived inn1 or 2 room homes with dirt floors and no plumbing in many cases. This was common in Appalachia and parts of the south into the 1960s.

Millions fled many parts of Europe for these conditions in part because it was better than what was going on over there.

We are all seriously lucky to be alive today with what we have. And although these things are relative there’s no guarantee our societies continue to have such plentiful access to food, comfortable shelter, and basic medicines like antibiotics and vaccinations.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Am I the only one that actually wants AI to really take off? And I mean, unsupervised AI, everyone is so damn worried about AI becoming "sentient" they're dumbing it down so much and I'm sitting here waiting to have personal C-3PO by my side.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Those that envision utopias will soon realize that their work leads to creation of dystopia. we are headed towards Elysium future with billions of humans competing for scraps.

There’s always the joke about the “Communist Utopia,” but that’s what it was marketed as. The marketing was also so strong people killed their own by the millions to make it happen. It never happened and we remember those eras for atrocities, not Utopian equality.

But they couldn't centrally plan economies very well since they lacked AI. ;)

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The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Define “fairly”

Everyone gets as much as they need, everyone contributes as much as they can.

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This sentiment reminds me of Burdens. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/16/burdens/ “[on the topic of a patient with moderate brain damage] back in the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness, in a nice tribe with Dunbar’s number of people, there would be no problem … he could just hang out and live in a cave and gather roots and berries and maybe hunt buffalo…. “But society came and paved over the place where all t…

The promise was that if we were clever and educated enough we could stay above water. Now I think the deal has been altered, and I think the people who aren't going to be screwed are doing blue collar jobs. We still can't get reliable self driving, so I don't think a robot will be a nurse any time soon, or a carpenter.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

"Work" above is being used in a more specific form than you are using it. GP is not referring to all productive work, they are specifically referring to employment on the market. Yes, human beings are better in relationships and better when they help each other, but GP is not talking about abolishing helping other people or doing meaningful things. There are a huge number of things people can do to meaningfully make…

Someone has to grow, process, and ship your food. Mine the coal, or build and maintain the energy infrastructure. And roads. They expect to be paid because in many cases its work more than keeping busy. Those things that are more valuable or meaningful are valuable and meaningful to you, so not really a fair trade to the people doing work to support you.

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After all the AI doomsday cults took over some of the media lately, all I’ve been thinking was... Before you say how the butlerian jihad absolutely definitely happens right goddamn tomorrow if we dOn’T sToP, try to create and successfully run an AI that would bake bread, or grow grapes and make wine, or run a good restaurant consistently day after day, year after year. If such an AI is possible then yes, perhaps we’r…

Yes, I think you have it. It could cook up an unreliable essay on how to run a restaurant but not do it.

Ah, and if I use it to run a real restaurant myself I guess I’m doomed. Gotcha :)

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

Same here. It's like a well rounded but very junior level coding assistant that produces a probably flawed bit decent first pass in seconds instead of a week.

As a very senior programmer, it's the first technology in a long time that has doubled, or maybe even tripled, my productivity.

The demand for my skills is only going to accelerate because of how godly this had made me.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

> Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming.

Have you ever considered that this may be due to the fact that our brains evolved to exist in a world where our day is largely focused on gathering food? We're not well-equipped to exist in other modes.

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