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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by acedTrex »

mulmen wrote: post #509

After the last five years of MacOS releases I have no idea why I would buy a Mac. The software is Windows levels of garbage. At this point I honestly think GNU/Linux is the best desktop operating system. I don't care about the hardware when the OS is straight up trash. They even broke decades old keyboard shortcuts. This is Digg levels of self-ownage. At this point Apple is anti-user and especially anti-developer. Th…

Their software has certainly taken a bit of a downturn but this is hyperbolic. Its not THAT much worse.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by microtonal »

Fnoord wrote: post #299
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #118

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The M2 air for me is working more as a means for me to talk myself into getting an M1 Pro 14" than anything else. Creating a mental process like this: - "I'd like an M1 Pro 14, but it's too expensive" - "A 16GB M1 Air would more than suffice and they're now at okayish prices refurbished" - "Oh! there's a new M2 Air and it's like a pretty nice middle point between the M1 Air and the M1 Pro" - "Oh wait, 16GB is only a…

Yeah, I did exactly this. My colleague was raving about the M2 Air, and I looked into it, compared it with M1 Pro, and told myself: this one's worth it (things like the fantastic screen and available ports). I did buy my M1 Pro on sale, but I only saved a couple hundred EUR compared to release price. As a pro relatively late adopter I didn't have much transition difficulty because everything was ported, as a con I mi…

I have an M1 Max (work) and M1 Pro (private), but I seriously considered getting an Air M2. Why? It is much more compact and lighter than the MacBook Pro, which is really nice for travel. But yeah, the M1 Pro with discounts was to enticing, because I could get one with 32 GB RAM.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by mulmen »

acedTrex wrote: post #521
mulmen wrote: post #509

After the last five years of MacOS releases I have no idea why I would buy a Mac. The software is Windows levels of garbage. At this point I honestly think GNU/Linux is the best desktop operating system. I don't care about the hardware when the OS is straight up trash. They even broke decades old keyboard shortcuts. This is Digg levels of self-ownage. At this point Apple is anti-user and especially anti-developer. Th…

Their software has certainly taken a bit of a downturn but this is hyperbolic. Its not THAT much worse.

It's trash. My MacBook has been an adversary for years now. My 2014 MacBook finally aged out and doesn't get updates. I have no idea why I would buy another Mac. There's zero value proposition. I'd rather replace the battery and install Linux.

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Post by astrange »

shrx wrote: post #513
geodel wrote: post #482

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Exactly right. This assumption that physical goods can cost about same all across the world is hilarious. Tax policies, interest rates, inflation, exchange rates, local laws etc..etc cause so many things make items priced differently across geographies.

Funny how it happens to be the cheapest in the US, huh

That's because the US doesn't have VAT and lists prices without sales tax.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dougmwne »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #444

I’m using a Macbook Air from like 2011 and it has basically the same specs as their current lineup in terms of memory etc. So why would I pay £2000 for the current one?

In a very rough sense, looking at Geekbench, the M2 MacBook Air has 5x the single core performance and 10x the multi core performance. Granted, if your workload is typing things into Vim, using the terminal and reading Hacker News, you might not notice. I suspect if you try to load CNN and its 100 ad trackers, you would most certainly notice.

A little off topic, but also illustrative: I found an old 3tb external NAS from 2011. I thought I would copy my backups onto it just to have some redundancy. I realized that the file 5MB/s transfer was going to take literally 7 days. I decided to hop on Amazon and get a 1000MB/s external SSD that could do the job in an hour. Tech really has changed a lot in the past decade+.

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Post by [deleted] »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #336
chii wrote: post #164

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But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

> mac air is a luxury item 8GB of Ram is luxury? Rolls Royce is luxury. Luxury means status. A gold plated car is luxury ( for some). It's a whole different league. Macbooks used to be premium - better performance, better experience. Limited storage is not premium. If Porshe releases a car with 30 horsepower, and asks for £100,000, we have a word for that. A joke.

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Post by dimmke »

runjake wrote: post #503
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

I guess I got lucky too. Because I bought a 2012 MBP (the first generation that had the HiDPI Retina displays) and it lasted me over 6 years of daily, hard use. It was still in decent condition but my job at the time got me one of the newer ones. Of course, that one had the bad keyboard and had to be swapped.

2016-2020 the dark ages but outside of that 4 year period (that Apple has firmly reversed course on), Apple's reputation for excellent laptops is well deserved.

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Post by mrkstu »

wkat4242 wrote: post #435
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

And your reply neatly encapsulates why, for better or worse, the American economy is more efficient/dynamic. Those immigrating into the country know they'll have to hustle and work to survive and thrive.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by droopyEyelids »

mulmen wrote: post #509

After the last five years of MacOS releases I have no idea why I would buy a Mac. The software is Windows levels of garbage. At this point I honestly think GNU/Linux is the best desktop operating system. I don't care about the hardware when the OS is straight up trash. They even broke decades old keyboard shortcuts. This is Digg levels of self-ownage. At this point Apple is anti-user and especially anti-developer. Th…

I know a comment like this is more about you expressing your emotions than making a coherent point, and I agree there are things to dislike about MacOS. But have you actually used windows lately? The windows that forces tabloid headlines into your start menu?

Apple is a long way from putting tabloid headlines into Spotlight results

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