This bill is so awful it cannot be allowed to pass. It reminds me of the Patriot Act.
It's also worth noting the rise of authoritarism in so many countries simultaneously.
Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
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#522Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t even know what “reels” is. TikTok clone? And, yeah, I can see the apprehension regarding the new account.
It's it's the meta/instagram tiktok clone.
It's a clone, but you can't directly compare one social network to another like that. There are differences in the culture and community that won't necessarily survive being transplanted.
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#523Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…
I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?
This is the Paradox of Tolerance in action. One must fight against intolerance in order to preserve their tolerant ideals in the first place.
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#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
Debating the minutiae of the number of school shootings is just...sad. The total number of children who should die in school shootings should always be 0. It's not even particularly hard. Practically every country in the world manages to achieve that target.
Incorrect. Some do, many don't, unless of course you're racist and don't consider quite a bit of the developing world worth your notice. Is that the case?
What a childish comment.
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#525This is just grist for the '24 election mill. Advance BS legislation that might just get to the desk of the president. He vetoes it and then the outrage machine can claim that he's weak on China.
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#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or we may as well have no laws because people are completely rational actors no matter their age etc... And you didn't address my point with respect to young people's lack of life experience. Or that trade relationships should be fair and equitable.
I'm a parent, I guide my kiddos when rationality escapes them. The process itself, parent-child, teaches them how to make their own decisions. Governments can't teach people how to make their own decisions. The statement that trade relationships must be fair is some sort of neoliberal mumbo jumbo. I don't accept it as an assumption or a consequence. You can accept it as axiomatic if you want, but I don't see it as a…
Yes but govts can try to minimize the damage from people making bad decisions. Which they do constantly, across all areas of society.
And what you describe as "neo-liberal mumbo-jumbo" I think for most people would be seen as simple commonsense.
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#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?
The United States does not have a strong democracy. Half (more or less) of the population believes the election was rigged.
They can bitch and whine as much as they like, letting people blow off steam is part of the process by which democracy keeps the peace. Aside from various small and short riots, there has been very little political violence in America since the 1860s.
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#528Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…
Really HN? The top voted comment is "this country has gone downhill"? This isn't Reddit. We're supposed to at least say something novel here, and hopefully interesting. How has the country gone downhill? Why is this decision so uninteresting? This comment also completely ignores the very interesting geopolitical aspects of this bill. On the surface it does look like something innocuous, as implied, which is why peopl…
It's a 4 paragraph comment that's basically throw away and everyone will forget exists by tommrow. How much effort should people be putting into these comments. Especially when there's no return. There's no guarantee you'll get a smart responses
Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok
#529Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…
>how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm when they're being influenced every day by how they might get shot up in math class?
not only that but you have media outfits literally called "Infowars" operating inside the country basically supporting treasonous activities. I find it absolutely hilarious that imaginary threats from TikTok, for which even the US government cannot find genuine evidence, somehow are more relevant than existing domestic ones. Some of the largest news channels in the country openly publish the kind of propaganda that TikTok is allegedly supposed to boost.
From the outside over the last two decades it honestly looks like 9/11 just broke the US flat out. Ever since then it's been a spiral into paranoia and insecurity with 'foreign adversaries' being blamed for absolutely every self-inflicted stupidity.
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#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
> b) There is zero appetite from the GOP for gun control. Until that changes the status quo persists. There have been many years of Democratic control where they didn't prioritize gun control. The status quo persists for some other reasons, not just the GOP bogeyman.
Just like legalizing abortion, the Dems haven't wanted to touch guns (ostensibly) because it radicalizes the other side.
It also doesn’t accomplish anything since any laws of any substance are guaranteed to be struck down by what has become a hopelessly partisan SCOTUS.