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Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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This is literally the definition of fractional reserve banking, used by almost every bank worldwide.

Maybe the whole economic system just isn't viable, as we've seen time and time again?

Citation needed. Also, I’m all ears for a viable replacement that doesn’t devolve into autocracy or government-endorsed corruption, and still allows for taking risk and forward progress.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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I just received an email from one of our investors, sent to all portfolio companies, advising everyone to transfer all of their money out of SVB at 8:30am tomorrow morning. Investment/VC funds are doing the same (we’re talking many, many billions of deposits lost in a span of a few days). There is a chance SVB will freeze assets while they deal w liquidity crunch which may impact startup ability to pay bills, pay sal…

But why? Because everyone else is doing it? Is this a power play by another bank? Is there an actual structural problem at SVB?

I have no clue about the actual internals at SVB, but an example of why: say a bank has $200bn in assets that they put into mortgage backed securities yielding 1.5% for 10 years. Lets say that means they paid $86 per $100 bond. Now rates rise to 6%, so they're worth $60 per bond. They just lost 30% of $200bn. If their net capital had been +$10bn before this, it's now -$50bn. So, if every single person demanded their money back, the bank would only be able to give 75 cents on the dollar. But if you get your money before everyone else, then maybe they give you back the full dollar. On the other hand, if you let $100bn worth of capital flow out before you try to get yours, now there's only 50 cents on the dollar left over.

So, in cases where you think this is a risk, it's best to move swiftly.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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Maybe the whole economic system just isn't viable, as we've seen time and time again?

Citation needed. Also, I’m all ears for a viable replacement that doesn’t devolve into autocracy or government-endorsed corruption, and still allows for taking risk and forward progress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

Here's some citation for ya.

As for viable replacements that allow for forward progress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management

(Also, for that matter, it's not like capitalism doesn't tend to devolve into autocracy and corruption)

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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Banks don't understand startups. Startups have no history and just appear out of thin air with millions of dollars in their bank account. And then they proceed to burn tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars month on month until they die, or get flooded with more millions. That's some weird stuff!! A bank that understands this, knows it's not fraudulent, and makes it easy to withdraw, deposit, get credit cards,…

I feel like this is unlikely. Startups didn't spring into existence in 2005. Every business was a startup at one point. Even venture capital isn't new. I'd wager every suit and tie wall st old guard firm knows how to handle startups just fine. SVB just had the right branding for young entrepreneurs who assumed JP Morgan wouldn't talk to them.

They might know how to, but they choose not to.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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Daily reminder that bank runs wouldn't be a thing if we did duration matching, forbidding banks from borrowing short and lending long. As always, the underlying problem in banking is that the banks are lying, telling two or more people they own the same dollar at the same point in time. If they locked deposits for a period of time they could safely (and morally) loan that money out without lying, and, in fact, there…

I don’t really understand what you mean. Isn’t ‘in the business of borrowing short-term and lending long-term’ like half the definition of a bank? The other half being that they are licensed by the state to do this short-term borrowing, get state guarantees for deposits, and have to follow a bunch of regulations making them almost an instrument of the state. It feels to me like saying that evictions wouldn’t be a thi…

GP might be imagining “narrow banks.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-08/the-fe...

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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Today, Credit Suisse delayed its 2022 report after the last minute call from SEC: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/09/credit-suisse-to-delay-its-2... I don't know what to make of it.

Credit suisse has been on the rocks for a year

Credit Suisse has been on the rocks for over a decade. Widely considered to be one of the most mismanaged large bank, and I assume propped up by Switzerland’s government for appearances’ sake.

Compare their numbers to any other investment bank.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/CS/credit-suisse-g...

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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From https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/09/silicon-valley-banks-share... : Becker said the bank has “ample liquidity” to support its clients “with one exception: If everybody is telling each other that SVB is in trouble, that will be a challenge.” Pro tip: if you're CEO of a bank that's facing a bank run, don't tell the press that you'll be in trouble if everybody takes their money out.

Matt Levine is fond of this highly relevant quote by Bagehot: “Every banker knows that if he has to prove that he is worthy of credit, however good may be his arguments, in fact his credit is gone.” It seems that CEOs of banks haven't learned anything since 1873 when this was observed.

> It seems that PARTICULAR CEOs of banks haven't learned anything since 1873 when this was observed.

I Don't think you can make that call for all CEO's of Banks 1873.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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Nah, especially among older folks, 100K+ in a bank account is fairly common. My mom does, my grandmother did, my stepmother does, and trust me none of these folks are 1%ers or even close.

Huh. Well, I'm surprised. $100k in a bank account is earning next to nothing, and is probably (opportunity) costing at least $5k/year. I would have assumed that people that can afford not to care about that would be in the highest tiers of wealth.

I have several ideas (with no scientific basis, just observation) on what drives the behavior. Old people today lived through some much leaner times than we are accustomed to, so having easily accessible cash is appealing. They don't care to deal with investment complexity. And they have this kind of money in a checking account because it just accumulated through routine saving over the course of 50 years; it's habit.

Plus, their situations are different from a typical younger person today. All of the folks in my family who keep large amounts of cash in their checking account are mostly not relying their own savings to live. They all have pensions and social security, they're not pulling from an IRA at this point. They've never had the habit of directly investing in their own retirement.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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You're right, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good thing. As a consumer (or a business client in the case of SVB), how does it benefit you that the bank doesn't simply hold your deposits in a figurative safe somewhere? At a minimum, I wish I could say it benefits us by banking being free. Lending could be opt-in. There could exist banks who charge a premium for simply being the custodian of your money. (These…

Loans are what drive the economy. I’ve used loans for cars and my home, as have most people in the country. Many people make decisions based on income, and not on cash they already have, as few people have massive accumulated cash wealth. Loans are not always a bad thing.

Loans aren't a bad thing as long as they are effectively collateralized.

If someone misjudges the value, volatility, etc, of collateral used for loans, those loans could be a bad thing if the borrower stops paying.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

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From https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/09/silicon-valley-banks-share... : Becker said the bank has “ample liquidity” to support its clients “with one exception: If everybody is telling each other that SVB is in trouble, that will be a challenge.” Pro tip: if you're CEO of a bank that's facing a bank run, don't tell the press that you'll be in trouble if everybody takes their money out.

Matt Levine is fond of this highly relevant quote by Bagehot: “Every banker knows that if he has to prove that he is worthy of credit, however good may be his arguments, in fact his credit is gone.” It seems that CEOs of banks haven't learned anything since 1873 when this was observed.

Someone should have explained it to him … as if he were a small child … or a golden retriever…
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