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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by GauntletWizard »

jordigh wrote: post #256
blagie wrote: post #90

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Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

Erdogan wants English to use the Turkish spelling because he's tired of English speakers thinking of the bird when they're talking about the country. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MyNaymeIs The funny thing is that through a bunch of funny historical accidents, the bird is literally named after the country, so we could just spell the birds türkiyes too.

In honor of Erdogan, I'm going to start calling it Turkiye.

The bird, not the country.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

qbrass wrote: post #236
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #89

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That's annoying. HAARP is essentially just a steerable RF beam that heats the ionosphere for RF propagation research, or can be used to bounce RF off of the moon. Neither have any effects on fault line stress or slippage that I am aware of. So herein lies the point of all this. People who know its bullshit, know its bullshit, and can tell other people (who don't know) that it is bullshit. It should not be up to any g…

A secret HAARP-like device that causes directed earthquakes was literally from the movie The Core . It use is what kicked off the plot. Being able to say that the Earth's core stopped just like what happened in the movie makes the earthquake machine theory more plausible or something.

Well, HAARP directs RF energy skyward using an array of antennas for research and isn't exactly a secret.

The DESTINY project in the movie was a secret and it sucked energy up from the entire grid and somehow shot it to the center of the planet in an attempt to ...trigger earthquakes?

How they were going to aim DESTINY is lost to plot holes.

Probably magnets.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by fleddr »

ikeserbestian wrote: post #519
fleddr wrote: post #179

Despite a 1999 warning that killed 17-18K, rampant corruption, incompetence and neglect have not improved construction standards, despite the promise to do so. That means that the vast majority of today's deaths were preventable. Imagine being accountable to that. Better to call it "misinformation".

Just a mini, personal note: In 1999, collapsed buildings far more than 17k - 18k and nobody knows how many people died. I remember some 800k - 1m estimations. Today, just few videos shows at least 10k more houses was collapsed but "officials" says just 4k people died.

You'll have to back up that 800K number. It seems pretty ridiculous:

"An official Turkish estimate of 19 October 1999 placed the toll at 17,127 killed and 43,953 injured, but many sources suggest the actual figure may have been closer to 45,000 dead and a similar number injured.[6][7] Reports from September 1999 show that 120,000 poorly engineered houses were damaged beyond repair[15] and approximately 20,000 buildings collapsed, resulting in more than 250,000 people becoming homeless after the earthquake"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_%C4%B0zmit_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_d...

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by nyc_data_geek1 »

xwdv wrote: post #463
Sunspark wrote: post #436

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Radio signals do not penetrate through stone or concrete well which causes increased battery drain. You also have the issue of perhaps diminishing oxygen and cognitive impairment caused by shock and crush trauma. It would be better for battery life for people to just text a friend or family member and say "crushed under tons of stone at home, please send help". Nobody is going to do an AMA on Twitter while buried usi…

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Seek help.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by entropi »

This is just pure evil. The government so far was pretty much useless; and with this they are now actively preventing people from organizing themselves. A net negative, after years of paying taxes.

And probably the greatest contributor to this tragedy was the lack of oversight for construction codes and safety regulations in the first place.

1- Cause thousands of preventable deaths 2- dont even try to help 3- impede those who are trying to help. This is a new low, even for the president.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by anthk »

can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

If you use a smartphone, get Briar from FDroid. It works over Bluetooth/Wifi/Data and it's perfect for emergencies.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by Kukumber »

LarryMullins wrote: post #401
Kukumber wrote: post #105

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They are in charge of the disinformation/moderation teams An example: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarondberman/ They are in most social media companies So they can decide what to ban that could hinder their national social order Something Turkey can't do with Twitter, hence a ban, just like the US with TikTok and the pseudo "algorithm" With the amount of misinformation that spreads in Twitter, it is the right thing t…

> it is the right thing to do You had me nodding until this part. Yes, twitter is filled with misinformation. But government censorship is more dangerous than misinformation. Governments have killed more people than anything else short of heart attacks and cancer. Governments murdered hundreds of millions of people in the 20th century; giving governments the power to censor whatever the government deems to be misinfo…

It's one of the mission of the CIA, spread propaganda, use influence to manipulate the press and journalists all over the world etc, back during the cold war

Using social media to achieve this mission is the natural evolution, as peoples usage to get information changes over time

It's very well documented, so seeing them at key roles isn't a surprise, and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone

They can't do it with TikTok, the app of choice of the youth and people all over the world

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/John_R._Stockwell

https://twitter.com/MichaelNo2War/status/1589793529823645696

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by sillytr »

jordigh wrote: post #256
blagie wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

Erdogan wants English to use the Turkish spelling because he's tired of English speakers thinking of the bird when they're talking about the country. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MyNaymeIs The funny thing is that through a bunch of funny historical accidents, the bird is literally named after the country, so we could just spell the birds türkiyes too.

Why not be more explicit?

Turks call India "Hindi-stan". Which in Turkish is "Turkey-the-bird-stan". Including the Persian etymology would literally make it "Land of the Turkeys." If Modi wanted to pick a fight with Turkey it would have made for an entertaining UN session.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by pcardoso »

jordigh wrote: post #266
macintux wrote: post #235

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When working with people of different nationalities and ethnicities I emphasize trying to pronounce their names correctly. Why is this different?

Because it's a nationalistic thing to insist that all languages spell your country's name in the script and spelling of the source language. It's a stupid move by the Erdogan government to get people to stop thinking about türkiye birds when they think of the Turkey country. Other countries get by just fine. Germany, Alemania, Deutschland. Mexico, Messico, Méjico. Japan, Nippon, 日本. China, Zhōngguó, 中国. Every country…

One funny thing is that in Portuguese the word for turkey (the bird) is Perú… also the same word as the South American country. Turkey is Turquia though…

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by candiodari »

flyinglizard wrote: post #451
golergka wrote: post #39

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

However disinformation may very well lead to totalitarian regimes, propped on distorted reality and fake news. A democracy must be able to defend itself.

Democracies have always survived by making their subjects invested and empowered in the future of their country. There's a limit to how far disinformation can go, and, frankly, the only thing people are trying to achieve with censorship is moving that line the wrong way.

The spread of wrong information has always been overwhelming. This is nothing new, nor is it (imho) more irritating now than is was 20 years ago. And if the history books are accurate on how bad it was 100 years ago ... This is not what's destroying democracies.

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