Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

Post by kragen » Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 6:15 AM UTC

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I'm more concerned about why I can't see a list of sites that CA has authenticated, or put my own restrictions on them. Taking the first one: AC Camerfirma S. A. I suspect I've never authenticated anything against that CA. I'd love to know what sites it has authenticated, and maybe I'd be happy with a lot of .es sites Wouldn't surprise me if I rarely if ever encounter 80% of the CAs that I trust. Looking through I'd…

That's all available from Certificate Transparency. Chrome refuses certificates that haven't been submitted to CT. AC Camerfirma seems to operate multiple CA certificates (e.g. some labeled by year). Here's a search that finds certificates issued by one of them: https://crt.sh/?Identity=%25&iCAID=51020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency

Post by peoplefromibiza » Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 11:31 AM UTC

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> We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. I used to think this way, and still do to a degree... but it's not enough. The idea of zero trust as an absolute is flawed, because if the adversary is your own government they will just keep shifting targets. Lets play this out: 1. Gov start monitoring all proprietary messaging platforms and services. So lets ass…

IMO, your hypothetical falls apart at the second point: > Now gov mandate that all hardware must have have backdoors to circumvent those measures. A government could legislate that it may not rain anywhere in the country on Tuesdays, but executing that isn't practicable. Likewise, backdooring one family of CPUs may be possible, but you can't simply tell chip fabs to backdoor each and every design. They'd grind to a h…

Post by ghusto » Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 1:10 PM UTC

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Conflating privacy stripping laws with paedophilia protection is something I'd happily deconstruct, whether in front of a camera or otherwise. It's not difficult to show with logic how one doesn't help the other, and I could even go as far as showing how the laws make things worse. Don't bring feelings to a logic fight.

Convincing people not to support privacy eroding laws isn't a logic fight as you are imagining it. Advocacy is much more complicated than that.

Post by lern_too_spel » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 4:07 AM UTC

klabb3 wrote: post #374

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Strangest thing to me about the topic is that it’s obvious vast percentage of citizens within democracies wish they lived in an authoritarian country, yet choose to live in a democracy and use the liberties they’re provided to actively destabilize and destroy it. To me this is the largest issue, not a given topic that results from it. Yes, I am aware current authoritarian countries wage propaganda campaigns, but in m…

For reference, many years ago when a similar surveillance law was implemented in Sweden (the FRA law), 90% of people were against it (in random polling) but politicians voted it in anyway. It later turned out this was a diplomatic back channel direct order from the US, which was found out through that big Wikileaks dump. So, the people are not at fault in these situations imo. First, it’s politicians and after that i…

Post by irusensei » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 7:20 AM UTC

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> people would rather be heroic resistance fighters than engage dry policy work and advocacy Isn't it tiring? I mean you can raise hell and get some picture but you know one or 4 years from now they will try the same bullshit with a different name until it works. You are wasting your time and energy on activism while there are crooks literally getting paid (by your money) to degrade your life. I think that time and e…

> I think that time and energy should be best spent building things which are immune to power abuse. I'm not sure such a thing exists. What technologies built by humans do you know of that are immune to power abuse?