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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by barfingclouds »

boppo1 wrote: post #22
siva7 wrote: post #7

Seems like no one believes him. Let's be honest: How often have you heard news about a woman molesting a man vs. a man molesting a woman?

I was working as a busboy reaching up for a glass when an older server woman grabbed my ass so 'deeply' that her fingers almost reached my testicles, then squeezed like she was wringing out an orange. Even though I was unattracted to her, I was flattered at the time. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that's well past the bar for molestation.

Not an extreme example, but after I started working out more, a female coworker and boss would randomly touch my arms and shoulders when talking to me. Both about double my age.

In my case it didn’t bother me at all, but I just find it funny how little they have to worry about their actions being seen as too far.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by peterfirefly »

PedroBatista wrote: post #422
peterfirefly wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tabloid and it is not left-leaning... and it published true and embarrassing things about the Biden family up to the last US presidential election. It also regularly publishes true things about crime (and about who commits it). This is more than enough to explain why some people distrust it. In my book, it is much more reliable than the New York Times and the Washington Post.

In my book it’s slightly more reliable simply because it’s a tabloid and any political leaning takes the backseat in favor of headlines and blood.

The New York Times has always been very political and utterly unreliable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Of course I'll take a tabloid that might be slightly right of center over that.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by Godel_unicode »

giardini wrote: post #520
Godel_unicode wrote: post #69

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Yeah, concerts, dive bars, festivals, sporting events. Generally, although not exclusively, older women. They always seem so surprised when I’m not flattered…

Well, honestly, you are pretty ugly!8-))

Does saying things like this make you feel better? Do you think that the world is a better place?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by fidgewidge »

noisy_boy wrote: post #439
fidgewidge wrote: post #372

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What's the difference?

The latter removes any scope for taking circumstances/details into account which is an issue irrespective of gender/age etc (e.g. "believe men" or "believe children" would be equally absurd).

But you just said "believe women" is fine whereas "believe men" or "believe children" is absurd. I don't follow the distinction you're drawing here. They're grammatically equal.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by fidgewidge »

giardini wrote: post #519
fidgewidge wrote: post #355

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It's not actually illegal. For it to be actually illegal, governments would have to enforce the laws but they don't. Left wing governments can't get rid of the laws but they can easily appoint woke allies to enforcement positions, to ensure the law is only enforced in one direction. I've been in a company all hands , which was broadcast to the whole multi-office company via video link , where the CEO himself announce…

It may or may not be legal but it opens the corporation up to stockholder lawsuits. Once a corporation begins hiring on criteria unrelated to maximizing stockholder income they've gone down a path that will bring down management. DEI initiatives harm corporations long-term and will always ultimately fail because the corporation is no longer maximizing profits. This is not a new idea: IIRC even Adam Smith had somethin…

Yes in theory, no in practice. Such lawsuits are incredibly rare, and this sort of thing is often done with the explicit acquiescence of the board anyway! And in many places they just change the law to explicitly make it legal, like in the UK, where they passed an Equality Act actually makes discrimination legal.

Yes it harms corporations in both long and short term but the people who do it don't care, because their moral code states that corporate harm either isn't real or is actually a good thing. You can't win when arguing with someone's fundamental moral code.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by blindriver »

hota_mazi wrote: post #211
blindriver wrote: post #184

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He wasn't an engineer, so I'm sure his compensation was much lower than what you think.

You have it backward. Eng managers, directors, and VP's make tons more money than engineers.

Olohan was promoted to managing director of food, beverages, and restaurants

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by nullc »

SilasX wrote: post #115
nullc wrote: post #98

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Hm? If you need work and are laid off you don't get mad: you get another job. You get mad if you were working for prestige, connections, or power-- things you can't just replace by getting another job.

>Hm? If you need work and are laid off you don't get mad: you get another job. Some people do both -- from the context, it sounds like Moore also hopes to replace it with a similar job, while also venting to anyone in the media who will propagate his framing about what a horrible injustice it is that Google can pay him a fortune and keep him around for 16 years. >You get mad if you were working for prestige, connecti…

> hopes to replace it with a similar job, while also venting to anyone in the media

If so, it's a foolish move! Venting in public absolutely makes someone less employable -- making it a freedom that people with less need of employment have more of!

> And this fits your model of someone eager

I don't know him so I could only speculate and I don't really have any speculation specific to him to offer.

The reason I replied was to dispute the position you took that being mad meant he needed the job. I stated it too strongly: I should have just said "people can get mad about losing a job even when they don't need it, e.g. if they were working for prestige, connections, or power-- probably more so since these are things you can't just replace by getting another job."

In other words needing it may be sufficient, but it's not necessary. I think those other reasons are stronger reasons to be mad-- they're harder to replace than a job.

> "This also just drives home that work is not your life, and employers — especially big, faceless ones like Google — see you as 100% disposable," "Live life, not work," he added.

I've heard statements just like that from people who I know have eight figure net worths and continue to work for someone else. ::shrugs::

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Post by thinking4real »

tentacleuno wrote: post #325
thinking4real wrote: post #180

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You do you, but your inaction is going to ensure more and more men go through this.

That's unnecessarily judgemental and reeks of victim-blaming tbh. Would you say the same to a woman who has been raped?

Often the hardest part of being a victim isn’t the victimization, but rather the aftermath that follows.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by jemmyw »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #442
jemmyw wrote: post #431

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That's not true, at least in the UK the gender and racial balance of the police force comes up a lot in the media. It's often mentioned about UK politicians too, ie the gender balance of cabinet positions. Perhaps your view of the apparent moral urgency is because you're in the tech industry and therefore closer to it?

>That's not true, at least in the UK the gender and racial balance of the police force comes up a lot in the media. Fair enough, I've never seen discussion of police gender balance here in the US. >Perhaps your view of the apparent moral urgency is because you're in the tech industry and therefore closer to it? I doubt that's it. I feel like I've seen a lot more coverage of "Women in Tech" in mainstream news sources…

I've thought about this and I think I agree with you about the amount of noise around tech rather than other careers. But what I don't want to do is jump to a conclusion about it, it seems like a nuanced question.

My mother made a left field comment a couple of years ago that I've thought about a lot. She was a programmer starting in the 70s through to the late 00s. I mentioned the lack of women in tech thing and she said "Oh. I've never noticed. I always considered it completely equal and never felt treated differently."

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by therealdrag0 »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #292
sokoloff wrote: post #268

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Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

>I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a It's a lot larger than 1%< depending on how long your career is and how many individuals you encounter over its course.

Huh? You think 1/100 people who make it to retirement have had a false sexual claim made against them publicly?
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