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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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This will be an interesting experiment in large scale code rot. How long do you think twitter.com will work with the code base frozen?

Here's a crazy idea: 1) get rid of most of the existing code base and simply re-implement and migrate existing content and remaining users to the new thing. 2) get some small team together that does this. 3) stop bleeding cash while that plan is being set into motion. 4) keep the existing code base limping along while that is being put into motion.

I'm pretty sure that that's the plan Elon Musk is executing. It's simple, brutal, nasty, and probably not very well thought through. And yes he's not being very nice about it (to put it mildly). But it's not completely crazy if you can get over how obnoxious he's being.

He's clearly not interested in keeping the current team. He's never going to win them over at this point and from his point of view they were part of the problem, not the solution in any case. He bought a company that was basically not profitable, bleeding cash, and fresh out of ideas on how to fix any of that for many years. And he's now on the spot to keep that train wreck going. So, first order of business is to just cut the cost. That means decimating the team to a fraction of its size.

The Twitter team is basically rage quitting at this point so that's solved. Again, I don't like how he's doing it but undeniably, there are going to be vastly less people on the payroll very soon and cost will be a lot lower. The law suits that follow will be interesting though. But my guess is that he'll just buy those off and that will be it.

Of those that remain, he can cherry pick a team to salvage/build whatever he needs and then re-enforce it with some outsiders. Building a micro blogging platform is not rocket science and Elon Musk is actually deeply into rocket science. So, I actually get his gut feeling that this simply should not require thousands of engineers obsessing about all sorts of arcane software bits and pieces that somehow implement Twitter. It's a micro blogging platform with a fairly simplistic feature set. And he just called bullshit on how that was done at Twitter. And we're talking about a person with a long track record of having absolutely no tolerance for bull shit.

Again, not liking his methods but I can see his line of reasoning here. He has no respect for the Twitter team and he actually wants them gone. He wants to rebuild Twitter in a way that is cost effective and interesting to him. And he is not a risk averse person. So, in his mind that means a small team that can execute fast. I kind of agree with that part.

Will this work? I don't know. I see no technical reason that this plan could not work. But the big question is if the Twitter brand name will be worth anything by the time he's done or if he's just going to shut down the whole thing and walk away from it. He can certainly afford to do that. But letting this thing coast along just never was going to be a thing.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#522
My respect to twitter folks quitting en mass is through the roof. I understand those who can not quit right now due to financial commitments. But as soon as your house is in order, quit. This will send a strong message to anyone trying to emulate musk.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

> company is on a website that makes it a tech company Well, we generally consider social media companies tech companies. And since they don't really have anything else other than the tech stack (and the users on it, but they don't "have" those), not sure as what you would characterise it. > ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running What makes you think that the d…

> Well, we generally consider social media companies tech companies. And since they don't really have anything else other than the tech stack (and the users on it, but they don't "have" those), not sure as what you would characterise it.

Consider where the bulk of the revenue comes from and you’ll find out what industry the company is actually in.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#525
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I was really thinking about this sabbotage thing yesterday. In these large companies, to make changes to a lot of systems, you have to have someone else also sign on to the changes (eg. code review). If your aim is sabotage, you would have to find a like minded saboteur to work with you. In normal times, at most places, this is risky, because most others would not want to assist you, and would likely report you. The…

> In these large companies, to make changes to a lot of systems, you have to have someone else also sign on to the changes (eg. code review).

Some time ago (when multiple accounts tweeted some crypto scam) it was revealed that at Twitter no such protections existed.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A top reply [0] that Elon replied to: > Elon, there's a bunch of us in SV who will come up tonight to help on the infra side to keep the site up. > If you need help just ask. As if you could just drive over to the Twitter HQ, grok how all the infrastructure works, and make/provide meaningful contributions/tweaks/upkeep.... tonight That's either a level of delusion that I can't imagine and/or someone who has no idea w…

Later in that thread he says he's currently in sales, but used to be a "self-taught infrastructure engineer". If you look at the site that he links from his Twitter profile you'll see a half-finished site made with a site-generator. Just the type of talent you want running the infra for the company you just paid $44B for.

What kind of frontend skills are you expecting from an infrastructure engineer, self-taught or not?

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#527

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

Musk’s plan is to fire half of the workforce and expect the other half to work twice as much for the same salary.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

> I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's been more than twenty years since the dot-com bust and people still think that just because a company is on a website that makes it a tech company. Sure, Twitter's product is twitter.com the website, but most criticism of it and ideas for improvement don't revolve around the engineering aspects of keeping a website running: t…

> the great distributed system that runs behind the scenes

As someone is reported to have been asked in a Twitter job interview, when a celebrity with 10,000,000 followers sends out a tweet, how do you deliver them all within 3 seconds?

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside: there is no "technically resigned" here, if they're referring to Musk's loyalty-pledge deadline. Those employees have been terminated -- and are entitled to unemployment and wrongful termination protections.

I wonder if this legally really is the case. Twitter seems to have asked "Do you still want to work here", giving an option to affirm. They didn't say "you have to go", they said "you may go if you do not like the new direction of the company, please tell us which one it is". I'd be rather careful with that, and not just proclaim these people were terminated. I see a rather good chance court could rule very different…

> "Do you still want to work here"

Many stably employed people would answer "no" to that question (if they could be honest) and kept working.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

#530

Maybe too many people decided to not click the 'yes' link in that email yesterday and the doors are being locked to keep people in?

The rumor is something like 75%, which would definitely explain the panic actions. This also means they don't have to specifically cut off badges for laid off people, it gives them time to decide who's actually gone.

on Blind, 42% of 180 respondents chose “No” (leave)
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