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The Ethereum merge is done

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Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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> “Rightly or wrongly, she'd absorbed a very toxic environmental narrative,” he said. “I mean, it's kind of hard to defend ‘stickers for grownups’ that emit, by some estimates, a megaton of [carbon dioxide] a week.”

What was the "toxic environmental narrative"?

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I appreciate it wasting less precious energy. But this change also means that "Decentralisation" and "Power to the people" are fading away right? The wealthy actors are the ones dictating the transaction now and they also on top get paid for being rich. This does not sound like a "better financial system" for me. Also, don't forget the DAO Fork[0] where with the "ungovernable Blockhain" it was decided a transaction w…

I wonder what the ETH miners are doing now. Did they switch to other coins? I doubt that they actually switch off their stuff. That makes no sense economically.

To give you an idea how big of an impact this is to miners, my 5700 XT went from making $1.2 / hour (mining Ethereum) to $0.15 / hour (mining Ethereum Classic) Eth classic seems to be currently the most profitable coin to mine and it is barely worth the electricity cost.

The people with actual mining rigs with multiple GPU's will either sell their stuff or start renting them for services like vast.ai. I assume most will end up selling because of the cost of getting a server-grade Motherboard/CPU + lots of RAM isn't exactly cheap and the effort required to set everything up is much higher.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not using up a goat load of electricity is like 99% of why this change is great. Let people speculate on their funny money without harming everyone. A lateral move on the other details is rather unsurprising.

Using electricity isn't the problem. Anyone could use vast amounts of electricity as long as they are willing to pay the price for it. The problem is carbon emissions. The switch to PoS is a non-issue from my perspective: a centralized system changed from using method A to method B, I don't understand why I should care. Bitcoin mining is increasingly being used to prevent methane emissions in stranded gas reserves. H…

> Reducing methane emissions is vastly more effective at preventing climate change than reducing co2 emissions.

This statement caused me to do some light research. I discovered that methane is 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.

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#524

Quote from the article: > “I feel very proud, you know, that I'll be able to look back and say I've had a role to play in removing a megaton of carbon from the atmosphere every week." -- Edgington There's a very important difference in not emitting carbon into the atmosphere and actively removing carbon from the atmosphere. Both are critically necessary and complementary, but I don't see how Edgington thinks that swi…

"We are ruining the environment more slowly." er, I mean... "We are saving the environment!"

If the main observation curve doesn't go the way you want, check its derivative.

"The wall is very close"

"We're going too fast, shouldn't we brake?"

"Oh at least, we're not accelerating, look, constant speed, everything is fine!"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why bother paying more for a slow database if you’re not going to rely on the one feature which can’t be done faster, cheaper, and more reliably than the current financial system?

It’s pretty clear to anyone under 40 working in finance that there’s room for improvement.

Also those over 40, but that still doesn’t mean everything advertised as the solution is actually the right answer. This is especially true when the sales pitch is “buy now, you’ll make a killing!” but all of the real problems get a response along the lines of “we’re working on that but it was harder than we thought”.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#526
This thread is HN jumping the shark for me.

The merge is freaking incredible. Switching the engine of a $60 billion financial network in-flight. Permanent power savings the scale of a country. An incredible coordination between a huge number of diverse parties all over the world. Everything open source. And all we get is a rehash of tired old arguments against cryptocurrencies.

This was originally a forum for hackers, makers and entrepreneurs. It does not seem like that anymore.

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#527

It looks like the new Blockchain is quite centralized. 45% of blocks are mined by just two addresses: https://twitter.com/santimentfeed/status/1570339602346684416...

Those could be exchanges ? Which would mean they represent very large numbers of users. Seems the most likely explanation. The idea that this isn’t true in BTC or PoW seems like a wild fiction to me.

You may be right that the majority is probably an exchange. But is there something in the protocol specification that prohibits such majority? Then it raises a question, can an actor such as a government (which may have unlimited resources) to hold large numbers of ether (> 51%) to add blocks to their advantage?

Perhaps, it's my ignorance about this technology that makes me question and prevent me from adopting this technology.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#528

Does this mean GPU prices will go down? At least according to this article the validator nodes can be run on a Raspberry Pi [1] [1] https://ethereum.org/en/energy-consumption/

That’s what I’m wondering. There are a few gpu mineable coins, will miners switch to those, and keep gpu prices high?

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#529

Quote from the article: > “I feel very proud, you know, that I'll be able to look back and say I've had a role to play in removing a megaton of carbon from the atmosphere every week." -- Edgington There's a very important difference in not emitting carbon into the atmosphere and actively removing carbon from the atmosphere. Both are critically necessary and complementary, but I don't see how Edgington thinks that swi…

He's not saying it is "carbon-negative" --- he's saying it is more efficient and avoids a megaton of carbon that would otherwise have been released.

In this case "removing" is not the right term, but "avoid emitting". No carbon will be removed in any case, be it PoW or PoS.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#530

I appreciate it wasting less precious energy. But this change also means that "Decentralisation" and "Power to the people" are fading away right? The wealthy actors are the ones dictating the transaction now and they also on top get paid for being rich. This does not sound like a "better financial system" for me. Also, don't forget the DAO Fork[0] where with the "ungovernable Blockhain" it was decided a transaction w…

But this change also means that "Decentralisation" and "Power to the people" are fading away right? Don't look now but "decentralization" and "power to the people" are already gone in the crypto market. Blockchain is a novel accounting system. But has any organization * ever * derived any real power from an accounting system? Are Google and Apple and Amazon market leaders because of a novel accounting system? I don't…

> What are "the people" going to do about this? What does blockchain have to do with this? Not a damn thing.

You have Coinbase, Kucoin, Gateio, Crypto.com, Kraken, Bitfinex, Uniswap, Sushiswap, Pancakeswap, ...

Competition is also a form of decentralization.

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