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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Lot of strawmans here.

The OP suggesting rural living is entirely to blame is a strawman and absurd, and was presented with no evidence that removing all rural areas would fix any problem.

88,000 people in a town isn't rural living.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Sure thing, but keeping 10 gallons of gasoline is more than a couple of cans. And even then, so what? How many people need to do that, or will ever do that, except for off-roading or obscure jobs? This is a legitimate use, but for a vanishingly small number of people. Back when LED lights were first being pushed, we saw a lot of the same resistance to a new product that was superior for nearly every single use case,…

20L can is half to a quarter of range, two 20L cans will fill the tank of a miata, half the tank of a tacoma. For people in a city who never leave it? EVs are great. Everyone else not so much. Personally I think plug in hybrids are the future because they overcome this but seems everyone just wants to push pure evs.

EVs are great for anyone who hasn't had to haul around extra gas in cans to get to where they want to go. Which is easily 99% of the population.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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And that will change as renewable energy and cheap storage make micro grids economically feasible, where transmission with centralized power generation is too expensive. In these places, EVs will be far superior to gas vehicles because they will require less infrastructure and the EVs supplement the micro grid are an asset for it.

"Cheap storage" with the capacity for a week-long cloudy cold snap, epescially given how demanding EVs are, doesn't exist and will likely keep not existing for decades. So for now, if you want 24/7 electrity, your only option is a real large grid. Meanwhile gasoline cars just need a tank to store gas

I don't think you are talking about the same areas I'm talking about.

In areas where heating buildings interiors is a significant energy need, and has week long cold snaps, then there's extremely cheap storage in the form of therma storage, which combines very nicely with heat pumps, and it exists today. Bury insulated thermal sinks underground and a ton of summertime energy can be stored up seasonally.

However I'm not aware of any large populations of people that live in colder climates that do not yet have electricity and are looking to change their living standards in the coming decades.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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It depends on the state one lives in the USA. For instance in Texas, a garage inspects your vehicle once a year on basic functionality for it to qualify for a sticker one puts on the windshield (automatic ticket if law enforcement stops you with one out of date). In California, one has to get a smog inspection every so often to qualify for the sticker on the license plate to indicate one has paid one's vehicle tax fo…

The smog inspections were every three years? As long as your engine light is not on you didn't need any "servicing". I was not aware that Texas was that way.

They measure exhaust fumes with a special nozzle that fits over your exhaust pipe(s) while your vehicle is idling and I think with a dynometer(it's been a while for me) and there is a maximum output of various gases. If your vehicle is over the limit, it must be fixed to be below the maximum before one is eligible for a passing certificate which is sent electronically to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I haven't lived in Texas in 20+ years but I remember the annual sticker visits at gas stations, they would check that the head lights worked and were pointed at the correct direction for the height of the lamp, that your windshield wasn't cracked in your field of view, the using the brakes turned on the brake lights, and other things, if your vehicle failed any of the checks you were required to fix them and get re-inspected and pass the entire suite of tests before one got the inspection sticker.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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To reply to the GP’s point here … if you live in apartment you also aren’t stockpiling Jerry cans of gs, either.

You sure can keep a couple on your vehicle

A couple jerry cans in your vehicle is hardly a "stockpile." And also not a great idea.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

The Organic Transit ELF and the BetterBike PEBL are enclosed electric trikes (two wheels in front, one in back) but are more expensive than your wish. Both are currently out of production for engineering improvements with plans for assembly lines to reduce the cost and prices. Organic Transit channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/OTvehicles BetterBike channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59bSWio0f0eSPd5MPpEPAg

Came hear to mention the ELF and PBLE.

It's shocking to me that someone would expect an enclosed battery-electric vehicle to cost anywhere close to $2k unless their mental image is a cheap electric bike with a rain cape or something?

The ELF and PEBL start(ed) at $10k and while I could imagine that coming down a couple thousand dollars at high volumes I have trouble imagining what corners you could cut to hit a $2k or even $4k price point.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Won't electric car have bad resell value given battery cost an arm to replace

No. Nowadays, EV don't need battery replacement. Degradation is negligible for the current fleet: Bullshit. https://www.geotab.com/fleet-management-solutions/ev-battery ... And these are for 10-year old EV. Battery packs made today won't have to be replace after 15 years, and they'll certainly be used as stationary storage past their time on wheels. More importantly, most EV will switch to LFP chemistry (already more…

i'm used to buying a car for X use it for 7 years and then sell it back for 1..2k less. Let say i buy a used electric card with 80k miles on it, and use it for 7 years, and have put 150k miles, now wont I have trouble selling it?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I have owned a Tesla, and I leased my wife a Bolt a while back. She's convinced, I'm convinced, but with the lease coming to an end next year we probably will not replace the Bolt with another EV. Why? Prices. I was ready to buy a Mach E, but then Ford raised the price something like 6 grand while simultaneously losing the $7500 tax credit. That effectively bumps the price of the car into a territory I don't think ma…

This is a big problem. There isn't enough EV manufacturing capacity to meet demand. So, right now, EVs are being treated by auto manufacturers as a premium product with huge markups. Tesla never did ship a $35K car, and Ford's electric F-150 is substantially more expensive than the gas version. Worse, electrics tend to come with all the useless high-end trim options. Price the Jeep Wrangler EV. I wonder if we will ev…

The CEO of Ford, Jim Farley, said that he's expecting a price war among manufacturers to bring entry level EVs down to $25k: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ford-ceo-sees-electric-v...

He thinks most manufacturers will go LFP, and increasing scale of LFP cell production plus the low material cost will crater the price of the battery pack. He also wants to go to direct online sales, and cut advertising:

>Ford, like Tesla, may not have to buy advertising to sell EVs, which now amounts to $500 to $600 per vehicle, Farley said.

Terrifically bad news for legacy TV, if true. It would certainly blow a hole in the NFL's budget.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Yeah, its called an ebike. When you are using a vehicle as large as an electric car to run your errands, probably 95% of the energy is spent just to move the vehicle around, not you or your groceries but just the vehicle to A and B. With a 50 lb ebike and a few panniers running those groceries versus a 5000lb ev, you are doing the same work but a lot more of the energy spent is going to the actual work, moving you an…

There are also enclosed ebikes for inclement weather, such as the Organic Transit ELF and the BetterBike PEBL.

I'd imagine an e rickshaw would eliminate the need for a pickup truck or an SUV for most people. Get one with a back that can open like a ute and you can haul anything.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

> driving prized cattle from a show, some of which were 4h projects That was worse than I thought it was going to be.

Ya. The local authorities did a very good job in preventing anyone from taking pictures. I'm not for censorship, but those images do not need to be public knowledge imho.
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